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Topic Started: Jul 26 2014, 09:23 PM (1,948 Views)
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Jul 27 2014, 12:28 AM
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Jul 27 2014, 12:12 AM
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Jul 27 2014, 12:11 AM
So is he still serious about the power levels he chose for the manga?
I don't see any indication that he isn't. All of the power levels from the Saiyan Saga to the middle of Namek are still valid.

Edit @ Happy - I'll ask again, why would Toriyama put in a specific number instead of saying it's really long and giving it a number later on? It's a 'legend', yeah, but combined with author's intent and the fact that the claim wasn't disputed by Yemma, who travelled along it, it hold much more ground than any interview.
Emna Daio sama never said how long the snake way was

Kaioshin never said how long snake way was


That taxi driver have never run to the end of snake way


at that time it was Kaioshin sama and Emna Daio sama but they never gave any specific number only the taxi driver rofl XD


so let me ask you again is yemma what that taxi driver is called ? if so may i ask you if he have ever runned to the end of snake way and said it is 1 milion km ? instead of not even trying it out and just saying whatever the legend is ?



and about the toriyama specific number i dont know if it was answer to your question but he said that * it didnt matter how many numbers he added to the snake way* ( * the whole point is that its 1/2 of the universe *


basically what i am saying here is he didnt care about how many numbers he added in but since it would be completely useless to add the numbers he then thought of a simple way and that way was the definitive proof of the scalling of snake way which later on became questioned and answered and even as far as to be illustrated in a simple manner and also do we ( in real life ) have proof of how big 1/2 of the universe is ? why bother with so high numbers if he can say its just 1/2 of the universe ? that would make his plot easier to understand and to follow


+ i cant really state that you are wrong nor right since its considered as both a myth and as a factor for me so you arent wrong nor right

http://www.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F11111%2F111112756%2F3039847-3114139706-landm.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicvine.com%2Fforums%2Fgen-discussion-1%2Fmy-true-power-blog-goku-speed-1460662%2F&h=776&w=1024&tbnid=Orikh5eUOlky8M%3A&zoom=1&docid=yoTuZCoW2xHU5M&ei=B0fUU9HEJsr_ygP7roHIBQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CCcQMygKMAo&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=834&page=1&start=0&ndsp=38


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u40/hellmasker-d/MapofAnoyo.jpg
The drawings you posted are NOT to scale. If they were then Krillin and all the souls would be the size of hundreds of Earths since they could see the top of Enma Daio's. Krillin, Goku, and Kami could see the top of the palace.
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Meh, you bring up a good point, but still, there is more than one potential source, so I don't want to just disregard it. I might not necessarily go by it as the definite truth, so don't think that, it's just possibly there.
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So is he still serious about the power levels he chose for the manga?
I don't see any indication that he isn't. All of the power levels from the Saiyan Saga to the middle of Namek are still valid.

Edit @ Happy - I'll ask again, why would Toriyama put in a specific number instead of saying it's really long and giving it a number later on? It's a 'legend', yeah, but combined with author's intent and the fact that the claim wasn't disputed by Yemma, who travelled along it, it hold much more ground than any interview.
Emna Daio sama never said how long the snake way was

Kaioshin never said how long snake way was


That taxi driver have never run to the end of snake way


at that time it was Kaioshin sama and Emna Daio sama but they never gave any specific number only the taxi driver rofl XD


so let me ask you again is yemma what that taxi driver is called ? if so may i ask you if he have ever runned to the end of snake way and said it is 1 milion km ? instead of not even trying it out and just saying whatever the legend is ?



and about the toriyama specific number i dont know if it was answer to your question but he said that * it didnt matter how many numbers he added to the snake way* ( * the whole point is that its 1/2 of the universe *


basically what i am saying here is he didnt care about how many numbers he added in but since it would be completely useless to add the numbers he then thought of a simple way and that way was the definitive proof of the scalling of snake way which later on became questioned and answered and even as far as to be illustrated in a simple manner and also do we ( in real life ) have proof of how big 1/2 of the universe is ? why bother with so high numbers if he can say its just 1/2 of the universe ? that would make his plot easier to understand and to follow


+ i cant really state that you are wrong nor right since its considered as both a myth and as a factor for me so you arent wrong nor right

http://www.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F11111%2F111112756%2F3039847-3114139706-landm.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicvine.com%2Fforums%2Fgen-discussion-1%2Fmy-true-power-blog-goku-speed-1460662%2F&h=776&w=1024&tbnid=Orikh5eUOlky8M%3A&zoom=1&docid=yoTuZCoW2xHU5M&ei=B0fUU9HEJsr_ygP7roHIBQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CCcQMygKMAo&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=834&page=1&start=0&ndsp=38


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u40/hellmasker-d/MapofAnoyo.jpg
The drawings you posted are NOT to scale. If they were then Krillin and all the souls would be the size of hundreds of Earths since they could see the top of Enma Daio's. Krillin, Goku, and Kami could see the top of the palace.
what you just said

OFC IT CANT BE SCALLED it was a simple illustration to how the "after life world" would look like ofc it cant be scalled but it WAS stated by him! within an illustration of his snake way universe biography

and right now i am still trying to find the interview! so dont ya worry


so basically as ive said thousands of times its not meant to be scaled if it is can you please tell me how much 1/2 of the universe is


if that illustration is a scale ? thats the whole point of akira toriyamas statement he added this in after the end of the story so he show the manga readers how it would look like in dragon ball verse ! he didnt go into details about every single inch of the biography thingy!


that is also the biggest reason why you cant count on snake way to measure the speed feats from there!
Edited by Happy, Jul 27 2014, 12:36 AM.
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Jul 27 2014, 12:33 AM
Meh, you bring up a good point, but still, there is more than one potential source, so I don't want to just disregard it. I might not necessarily go by it as the definite truth, so don't think that, it's just possibly there.
true that


i do believe that he isnt wrong nor is he right but its just interresting since the question for me for the dragon ball manga is


how can we scale speed ? how can we scale power ? i am sooo much interrested in knowing it i am curious thats why i want to look at facts


vegeta states this : if my power level has risen then obviously my speed has improved as well!

Chapter 249 Page 8 ( mangahere.co ) http://www.mangahere.co/manga/dragon_ball/v17/c249/8.html

the thing is i am a very curious youngun lel
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Jul 27 2014, 12:35 AM
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Jul 27 2014, 12:30 AM
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Jul 27 2014, 12:28 AM
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Jul 27 2014, 12:12 AM
Ben-Dan The Man
Jul 27 2014, 12:11 AM
So is he still serious about the power levels he chose for the manga?
I don't see any indication that he isn't. All of the power levels from the Saiyan Saga to the middle of Namek are still valid.

Edit @ Happy - I'll ask again, why would Toriyama put in a specific number instead of saying it's really long and giving it a number later on? It's a 'legend', yeah, but combined with author's intent and the fact that the claim wasn't disputed by Yemma, who travelled along it, it hold much more ground than any interview.
Emna Daio sama never said how long the snake way was

Kaioshin never said how long snake way was


That taxi driver have never run to the end of snake way


at that time it was Kaioshin sama and Emna Daio sama but they never gave any specific number only the taxi driver rofl XD


so let me ask you again is yemma what that taxi driver is called ? if so may i ask you if he have ever runned to the end of snake way and said it is 1 milion km ? instead of not even trying it out and just saying whatever the legend is ?



and about the toriyama specific number i dont know if it was answer to your question but he said that * it didnt matter how many numbers he added to the snake way* ( * the whole point is that its 1/2 of the universe *


basically what i am saying here is he didnt care about how many numbers he added in but since it would be completely useless to add the numbers he then thought of a simple way and that way was the definitive proof of the scalling of snake way which later on became questioned and answered and even as far as to be illustrated in a simple manner and also do we ( in real life ) have proof of how big 1/2 of the universe is ? why bother with so high numbers if he can say its just 1/2 of the universe ? that would make his plot easier to understand and to follow


+ i cant really state that you are wrong nor right since its considered as both a myth and as a factor for me so you arent wrong nor right

http://www.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F11111%2F111112756%2F3039847-3114139706-landm.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicvine.com%2Fforums%2Fgen-discussion-1%2Fmy-true-power-blog-goku-speed-1460662%2F&h=776&w=1024&tbnid=Orikh5eUOlky8M%3A&zoom=1&docid=yoTuZCoW2xHU5M&ei=B0fUU9HEJsr_ygP7roHIBQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CCcQMygKMAo&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=834&page=1&start=0&ndsp=38


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u40/hellmasker-d/MapofAnoyo.jpg
The drawings you posted are NOT to scale. If they were then Krillin and all the souls would be the size of hundreds of Earths since they could see the top of Enma Daio's. Krillin, Goku, and Kami could see the top of the palace.
what you just said

OFC IT CANT BE SCALLED it was a simple illustration to how the "after life world" would look like ofc it cant be scalled but it WAS stated by him! within an illustration of his snake way universe biography

and right now i am still trying to find the interview! so dont ya worry


so basically as ive said thousands of times its not meant to be scaled if it is can you please tell me how much 1/2 of the universe is


if that illustration is a scale ? thats the whole point of akira toriyamas statement he added this in after the end of the story so he show the manga readers how it would look like in dragon ball verse ! he didnt go into details about every single inch of the biography thingy!


that is also the biggest reason why you cant count on snake way to measure the speed feats from there!
Then you have to disregard the illustration because you literally just said it isn't scaled to actual size. Then on top of that our characters can actually see the place in its entirety even though it supposedly dwarfs the Earth. And the interview and statement you drone on about...you have offered no source. Until you do, your supposed interview is just as good as the ones in that damn Super Otaku Magazine.

@Benny

The interview that the guy is suggesting happened has no source, there is no possibility other than an interview with no source and an illustration that is NOT scaled to size.
Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jul 27 2014, 12:56 AM.
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Jul 27 2014, 12:54 AM
Happy
Jul 27 2014, 12:35 AM
TConnor_Demonic
Jul 27 2014, 12:30 AM
Happy
Jul 27 2014, 12:28 AM
Naked Snake
Jul 27 2014, 12:12 AM
Ben-Dan The Man
Jul 27 2014, 12:11 AM
So is he still serious about the power levels he chose for the manga?
I don't see any indication that he isn't. All of the power levels from the Saiyan Saga to the middle of Namek are still valid.

Edit @ Happy - I'll ask again, why would Toriyama put in a specific number instead of saying it's really long and giving it a number later on? It's a 'legend', yeah, but combined with author's intent and the fact that the claim wasn't disputed by Yemma, who travelled along it, it hold much more ground than any interview.
Emna Daio sama never said how long the snake way was

Kaioshin never said how long snake way was


That taxi driver have never run to the end of snake way


at that time it was Kaioshin sama and Emna Daio sama but they never gave any specific number only the taxi driver rofl XD


so let me ask you again is yemma what that taxi driver is called ? if so may i ask you if he have ever runned to the end of snake way and said it is 1 milion km ? instead of not even trying it out and just saying whatever the legend is ?



and about the toriyama specific number i dont know if it was answer to your question but he said that * it didnt matter how many numbers he added to the snake way* ( * the whole point is that its 1/2 of the universe *


basically what i am saying here is he didnt care about how many numbers he added in but since it would be completely useless to add the numbers he then thought of a simple way and that way was the definitive proof of the scalling of snake way which later on became questioned and answered and even as far as to be illustrated in a simple manner and also do we ( in real life ) have proof of how big 1/2 of the universe is ? why bother with so high numbers if he can say its just 1/2 of the universe ? that would make his plot easier to understand and to follow


+ i cant really state that you are wrong nor right since its considered as both a myth and as a factor for me so you arent wrong nor right

http://www.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F11111%2F111112756%2F3039847-3114139706-landm.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicvine.com%2Fforums%2Fgen-discussion-1%2Fmy-true-power-blog-goku-speed-1460662%2F&h=776&w=1024&tbnid=Orikh5eUOlky8M%3A&zoom=1&docid=yoTuZCoW2xHU5M&ei=B0fUU9HEJsr_ygP7roHIBQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CCcQMygKMAo&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=834&page=1&start=0&ndsp=38


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u40/hellmasker-d/MapofAnoyo.jpg
The drawings you posted are NOT to scale. If they were then Krillin and all the souls would be the size of hundreds of Earths since they could see the top of Enma Daio's. Krillin, Goku, and Kami could see the top of the palace.
what you just said

OFC IT CANT BE SCALLED it was a simple illustration to how the "after life world" would look like ofc it cant be scalled but it WAS stated by him! within an illustration of his snake way universe biography

and right now i am still trying to find the interview! so dont ya worry


so basically as ive said thousands of times its not meant to be scaled if it is can you please tell me how much 1/2 of the universe is


if that illustration is a scale ? thats the whole point of akira toriyamas statement he added this in after the end of the story so he show the manga readers how it would look like in dragon ball verse ! he didnt go into details about every single inch of the biography thingy!


that is also the biggest reason why you cant count on snake way to measure the speed feats from there!
Then you have to disregard the illustration because you literally just said it isn't scaled to actual size. Then on top of that our characters can actually see the place in its entirety even though it supposedly dwarfs the Earth. And the interview and statement you drone on about...you have offered no source. Until you do, your supposed interview is just as good as the ones in that damn Super Otaku Magazine.

@Benny

The interview that the guy is suggesting happened has no source, there is no possibility other than an interview with no source and an illustration that is NOT scaled to size.
didnt i state before that i am still trying to find the source lel ? please be patient since i am reallying trying to find it


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oh and one more thing when i said it was scaleles i meant the universe


do you know how much 1/2 of the universe is in reall life ? do tell please

because thats how long in "lenght" serpent road is or snake way
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Jul 27 2014, 12:28 AM
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Jul 27 2014, 12:11 AM
So is he still serious about the power levels he chose for the manga?
I don't see any indication that he isn't. All of the power levels from the Saiyan Saga to the middle of Namek are still valid.

Edit @ Happy - I'll ask again, why would Toriyama put in a specific number instead of saying it's really long and giving it a number later on? It's a 'legend', yeah, but combined with author's intent and the fact that the claim wasn't disputed by Yemma, who travelled along it, it hold much more ground than any interview.
Emna Daio sama never said how long the snake way was

Kaioshin never said how long snake way was


That taxi driver have never run to the end of snake way


at that time it was Kaioshin sama and Emna Daio sama but they never gave any specific number only the taxi driver rofl XD


so let me ask you again is yemma what that taxi driver is called ? if so may i ask you if he have ever runned to the end of snake way and said it is 1 milion km ? instead of not even trying it out and just saying whatever the legend is ?



and about the toriyama specific number i dont know if it was answer to your question but he said that * it didnt matter how many numbers he added to the snake way* ( * the whole point is that its 1/2 of the universe *


basically what i am saying here is he didnt care about how many numbers he added in but since it would be completely useless to add the numbers he then thought of a simple way and that way was the definitive proof of the scalling of snake way which later on became questioned and answered and even as far as to be illustrated in a simple manner and also do we ( in real life ) have proof of how big 1/2 of the universe is ? why bother with so high numbers if he can say its just 1/2 of the universe ? that would make his plot easier to understand and to follow


+ i cant really state that you are wrong nor right since its considered as both a myth and as a factor for me so you arent wrong nor right

http://www.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F11111%2F111112756%2F3039847-3114139706-landm.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicvine.com%2Fforums%2Fgen-discussion-1%2Fmy-true-power-blog-goku-speed-1460662%2F&h=776&w=1024&tbnid=Orikh5eUOlky8M%3A&zoom=1&docid=yoTuZCoW2xHU5M&ei=B0fUU9HEJsr_ygP7roHIBQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CCcQMygKMAo&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=834&page=1&start=0&ndsp=38


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u40/hellmasker-d/MapofAnoyo.jpg
The drawings you posted are NOT to scale. If they were then Krillin and all the souls would be the size of hundreds of Earths since they could see the top of Enma Daio's. Krillin, Goku, and Kami could see the top of the palace.
what you just said

OFC IT CANT BE SCALLED it was a simple illustration to how the "after life world" would look like ofc it cant be scalled but it WAS stated by him! within an illustration of his snake way universe biography

and right now i am still trying to find the interview! so dont ya worry


so basically as ive said thousands of times its not meant to be scaled if it is can you please tell me how much 1/2 of the universe is


if that illustration is a scale ? thats the whole point of akira toriyamas statement he added this in after the end of the story so he show the manga readers how it would look like in dragon ball verse ! he didnt go into details about every single inch of the biography thingy!


that is also the biggest reason why you cant count on snake way to measure the speed feats from there!
Then you have to disregard the illustration because you literally just said it isn't scaled to actual size. Then on top of that our characters can actually see the place in its entirety even though it supposedly dwarfs the Earth. And the interview and statement you drone on about...you have offered no source. Until you do, your supposed interview is just as good as the ones in that damn Super Otaku Magazine.

@Benny

The interview that the guy is suggesting happened has no source, there is no possibility other than an interview with no source and an illustration that is NOT scaled to size.
didnt i state before that i am still trying to find the source lel ? please be patient since i am reallying trying to find it


Until you find this source, the interview you're referring to is as good as poop. The illustration doesn't support your point either since it is NOT drawn to scale. The only thing suggesting Snake Way being half the universe is this interview you keep on bringing up but can't find a source for.
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Well, I don't know what to say now. I guess there's really no merit to it

You're too good TConnor, screw you :P
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Jul 27 2014, 01:26 AM
Well, I don't know what to say now. I guess there's really no merit to it

You're too good TConnor, screw you :P
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Haha ok Mr. Ego.
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Hey, just trying to educate the dragonball fanbase to not believe in nonsense with no backing.
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Here's my 2 cents.

I think from Greatest to Least in accurate source material, it goes Manga > Akira Toriyama > Diaz guidebook. Now, all of these are legitimate, just one is moreso than the other. However, I think even in the manga there are some things that can be left to our own interpretation if it makes little sense to us. Like the 40 tons thing for Goku in otherworld.
This and this proves (along with the rock Goku moved before the 21st tournament) shows he was near capable of that back before Raditz even showed up.
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I think if Toriyama doesn't do the necessary research or logic, then we can interpret it anyway we want. Or... anyway we can.
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I'm just messing, trying to lighten the mood. I may have thought it possible, but that's just how I do, never completely disregarding anything unless it's too farfetched, which this wasn't to me.
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Well until Happy provides the interview this is biased.
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