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| Analysing Screw Attacks Goku Vs Superman Fake/Truth; Analysing screw attacks "analyzation" about Dragon Ball Verse Facts | |
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| Happy | Jul 26 2014, 05:16 PM Post #1 |
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I will make a list of screw attacks analyze as to what was true and what-not however do be warned that this could be wrong/or not wrong so do take in possibility that it cant be 100% accurate! Screw Attacks link to goku vs superman : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA k lets start! 1. 2:53 "The Entire Point Of Introduce Them Was To Show How Unreliable And Meaningsless They Were" FALSE () Truth: Why does a scouter break when it picks up a high battle power? To be honest, it’s just showy staging for a comic. It’s really digital, which makes it impossible, but in terms of something analog, it’s like how a counter that’s rising at breakneck speed can’t keep up and breaks down in the more recent interview from Q&A with Akira Toriyama Link : http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2014/06/04/new-translation-saikyo-jump-july-2014-scouter-qa/ please do note that i could be wrong so take a note on that! and here is another backup to show that what screw attack stated was a lie : http://www.mangahere.co/manga/dragon_ball/v17/c249/8.html "If my Power level has risen then obviously my speed has improved as well!" which means the Scouter "Ki Radar" werent useless the main reason why it was, were due to the comic relief. such as the KI powering up way too fast, so fast that the radar cant keep up with its pace which Akira Toriyama states. "Its really digital which makes it impossible, but in terms of something analog its like how a counter thats rising at a breakneck speed cant keep up and breaks down" so what i do believe in this case is the power levels arent close to be useless but the scouters *reading pace* is! and i apologize for mentioning the same line 2 times ! but it was just a reminder! 2. When you go further to 3:13 then it says "Gogetas Power Level is 2 500 000 000 or 2.5 billion FALSE () Fact: it was made for a game, i remember that there were a similar case and i do believe my example remains in a dragon ball game called : Dragon Ball Z : Budokai Tenkaichi 2 please do take a note that i could be wrong about which game it was in! 3. 3:46 "( ki is ) made up of things such as vigor, courage and beings in ones true mind" (" Its basically a natural life form energy " 3:53 ) I would learn towards 50/50 In 3:53 screw attack mixed "real life" Ki into a manga kind of ki, basically what i mean is Dragon Ball's universe has a slightly different kind of ki. Here is an official guide to "Ki" in Db universe : To explain battle powers, it’s first necessary to explain “ki”. In the Dragon Ball World, ki is a sort of life-energy found in all living things, even planets and stars. This idea is based off of the concept of ki (or alternatively “chi” or “qi”) found in various Eastern religions, but exaggerated greatly to match Dragon Ball‘s cartoonish atmosphere. The warriors in Dragon Ball use ki to surpass the limits of their physical bodies, giving them superhuman strength and speed. They are also able to perform ki-based attacks where they concentrate their ki into a particular part of their bodies, usually the palm of their hands, and fire it out as a destructive blast. As Toriyama said in the recent Super Exciting Guide databook, training your muscles only gets you so far, and it was ki that allowed Son Goku to become the strongest in the universe. link : http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/what/ "The warriors in Dragon Ball use ki to surpass the limit of their physical bodies, giving them superhuman strenght speed" which means it may/may not be RAW power for the physical body Here is another line of the guide : In the early portions of Dragon Ball, the characters’ training focused mostly on increasing their physical strength and stamina, but from the time of Goku’s training under God and onwards, much more focus began to be placed on cultivating ki. Under God and Mister Popo, Goku learned the art of tracking an opponent by sensing their ki, an important technique for keeping up with a fast opponent, and also how to conceal his own ki aura so that his opponent couldn’t track him. While at the start of the series ki-based attacks were considered very advanced and rarely seen (Kame-Sen’nin says it took him 50 years to invent the Kamehameha), as the characters’ ki power increased, they became able to perform ki-based attacks with greater and greater ease, to the point where the generic ki blast became a standard attack. Characters also started using their ki to lift themselves up off the ground, enabling them to fly freely through the air, another technique which was seen as advanced and difficult at first, but eventually became extremely common. The use of ki became so important that a warrior’s power was judged largely by the amount of ki they had. "While at the start of the series ki-based attacks were considered very advanced and rarely seen" / as the charracters power increased , they became able to perform ki-based attacks with greater and greater ease" however the thing that catched my mind was this: " the use of ki became so important that a warrior's power was judged largely by the amount of ki they had" so basically i dont know if this count as both a physically and "Magically" energy or only physically here is a little example Physically = hitting others running Magically ( not sure if this count as magically ) = if you do a blast which is comming out of your hands then "it cant possibly count as hitting your opponent with your bare hands" Physically = hitting your opponent with your bare hands () example Magically = Hitting your opponent with a blast without physically touching/hitting your enermy / and also flying maybe it also count as magic ? please do note that even i am unsure but its an interresting thing to think about! 4. 5:00 Ki-sense Ability as commonly known it can sense both malice from the enemy and it can sense ki power () Brainstorming Ki-sense can do 2 things just to make it simple and more advanced things however do note that it may /may not be true (1.) Sense Evil - energy apart from ki not ki but the word "EVIL" itself tells me something (2.) Ki Energy which is basically every life forms in the universe if you speculate how it works then it would be something along these lines : In the manga then Bulma was at home in western city if i recall and in western city then theres obviously many humans! and ofc creatures in general : an average human have a power level of 5 which was also stated in the manga, but what if you could read the ki levels like a dog does when the dog smells other peoples? but not the smell this time what i am talking about is "Ki Aura" please do note that the ki aura thingy is a theory by me the example of ki aura was a little bit similar to a dog smelling other peoples from a variety of distance 5. "Kaioken times 20x restrains his power" 100% FALSE () 5:39 I do believe in this case screw attack only looked past saiyan saga first of all Saiyan Saga : Kaioken times 20x = restrain ) now i am going to mix Frieza and Cell Saga into this! Frieza Saga = Turning to super saiyan for the first time = Super Saiyan 50x = Restrain () first time with no training on that transformation Cell Saga = Mastered Super Saiyan 50x = No restrains () Which means if we use that logic in this then: Kaioken times 20x = no restrains due to mastering a higher power 6. "No Formal Education" the part where he drives isnt even in the manga its a filler + i want to ask myself this question maybe this will make you guys think or say that its quite obvious Why in the right or half mind would goku need a formal education ? if "he" himself can fly and can live in the wild with ease then why in the *hecketiheck* would he need a formal education? + that part where he "tries" to learn to drive with picolo "Super Form Drains Energy" its half true this one, as i stated earlier if goku has mastered his first form the Super Saiyan then it would mean that its not all of his "super form" that drains energy however with super saiyan 2 and 3 then it is indeedly true! that i can agree with! 7. 40 tons + gokus weight + 586 times normal gravity FALSE () *Power Level Scalling* It was stated in the manga that in kaioshin worlds then there are various planets/kaioshin homes with different Gravity scalling So basically that 40 tons is Half right half true at this point we can only assume things so if i assume the minimum scale of the gravity where goku lifted 40 tons then it would go along the lines : I will honestly say this before i start making calculations and i will ask the question to you guys and to myself Did goku lift 40 tons at Kaioshins planet? if so then it would be 10x the normal earth gravity, which is on a par with Planet Vegeta's gravity () however i could be wrong and it couldve also been on Grand Kais planet ( no facts about how much gravity the grand kais planet has ) Which means 40x 10 = 400 tons Now to my favorit part: 586 gravity ? Screw Attack didnt calculate how many days or years goku trained in Cell Saga Now i will use some maths on this however do not take it granted as a fact ( for power scalling) since i am an amateur at using math widely Trunks in Android saga stated this : " In three years time on may 12th at approximately ten in the morning on an island about 9 kilos south west of metro south a fearsome duo is going to appear" http://www.mangahere.co/manga/dragon_ball/v23/c335/3.html now here i will say this before i start i will calculate the days of outside and inside hypolic chamber! ( which may/may not be accurate ) / there will be a high power level scalling in this so it might or might not be biased but please be aware of the numbers! They trained 3 years and if i recall it would be straight out every day so it should be something like this : 365 + 365 + 365 = 1095 then you have to say + his weight clothes from Before Saiyan saga in the Tenkaichi Budokai Tournament against picolo ( dont remember how much weight it was during buu saga so it might not be precise ) 1095 + 113 = 1208 and then you have to say 1208 + gokus base form the official daizenshuu during frieza saga before turning into a super saiyan which is 3 million 1208 x 3 000 000 = 3,624,000,000 so this would be his base form during android saga which actually sounds very accurate ( personal opinion ) due to the fact that android 18 "trolled" vegeta and that android 17 is stronger than android 18 Now to the hybolic time chamber goku then trains 1 year inside hybolic time chamber which means goku trained for 10 months "inside" the chamber and in the 2 last months then goku said that they didnt need to train anymore so for 2 months then they relaxed this means 1 year is obviously 12 months this means 10/12 = 305 days 305 x 3,624,000,000 = 1,105,320,000,000 and thats gokus base and as always please note that it may/may not be accurate! then after cell saga goku then trains for 7 years in the after life world which is what i call it ! 7 years = 2555 days + gokus base form 2555 x 1,105,320,000,000 = 2,824,092,600,000,000 and that is his base form in buu saga and if you say that huge large number x the transformations then i will undoubly die due to my mental limit lel and one important thing ! the funny thing is i didnt even count zenkai bosts in ! nor the buu saga "weight clothes" since i dont have any accurate info on it and i didnt count the 40 tons x 10 nor 40 tons without 10x gravity I apologize for the bad grammars and i hope that you guys know that i am only a mere amateur at using mathematic since its not my thing but i do indeedly love to use it when its about dragon ball ! thank you everyone ! =D! Edit: i am laughing at my topics name due to writing Analy"S"ing instead of using Z Edit 2 : link to my previous thread which is about a theory of mine! ; http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8493778/1/#new Edit 3 : now i have the calculations for ssj 1 and 2 and 3 with the previous calculations since my brain isnt hurting anymore XD 2,824,092,600,000,000 x 50 ( Super Saiyan ) = 141,204,630,000,000,000 141,204,630,000,000,000 x 2 ( Super Saiyan 2 ) = 282,409,260,000,000,000 282,409,260,000,000,000 x 4 ( Super Saiyan 3 ) = 1,129,637,040,000,000,000 oh my gush lel Edited by Happy, Jul 26 2014, 07:39 PM.
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| Rogafufuken | Jul 26 2014, 05:17 PM Post #2 |
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Should be moved. |
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| Happy | Jul 26 2014, 05:19 PM Post #3 |
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how do i move my topic and where do i move it to ? |
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| Dankness Lava | Jul 26 2014, 05:21 PM Post #4 |
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Not to downplay that essay you have there, but Dragon Ball really isnt about the mathematics and logic. It overcomplicates the power they have, and likely isn't the way to go. I don't think you'll find a battle power list that is 100% agreeable, and honestly, power levels were removed for the reason you deny it is about. |
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| Rogafufuken | Jul 26 2014, 05:22 PM Post #5 |
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A mod will come do it eventually. |
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| SSJ | Jul 26 2014, 05:24 PM Post #6 |
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So let me get this straight, is this just a vs match, or is it an opinion piece? If it's just your opinion it can stay here. |
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| Happy | Jul 26 2014, 05:24 PM Post #7 |
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oh thank you =D! but where can i see it when they move it ? i mean it wont be on Z discussion but then where ? |
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| Happy | Jul 26 2014, 05:25 PM Post #8 |
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Super Saiyan 2 Its by no means any vs match ^^ its just my opinion on how i found out power levels i am not comparing super man nor goku against each other basically: its not a vs match |
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| SSJ | Jul 26 2014, 05:26 PM Post #9 |
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Ok then it's cool to stay here. And very good effort with your post
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| + Emmeth | Jul 26 2014, 05:26 PM Post #10 |
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Let's not move this anywhere for now. Also, Happy: Please don't double-post. Use the edit button next time. |
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| Happy | Jul 26 2014, 05:28 PM Post #11 |
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well you certainly got that right ! every 1 have a different view on how to "find their power levels" but atleast i am happy that i can show my way of finding the power levels ^^ and thank you! |
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| Dankness Lava | Jul 26 2014, 05:34 PM Post #12 |
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Oh yeah, feel free to make your own power level list however you like. I used to love reading those power level lists, lol. Just know it's gonna be met with some disagreement by some people. And I don't know if you were trying to find Superman's power level (truthfully I only read the first couple paragraphs), but that's gonna be a headache for you. Good luck with your calculations lol |
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| Happy | Jul 26 2014, 06:02 PM Post #13 |
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oh lel XD math in general for me is too much D: btw how to Multi quote others ? so i dont spam as much is it that light square near the quote button or what ? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 26 2014, 06:09 PM Post #14 |
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I didn't bother reading all of this, but I did notice you tried to differentiate Ki in the manga from what Ki is in "real life". Toriyama has not made a differentiation between the 2. Ki isn't raw energy. It's life energy converted to concentrated force.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 26 2014, 06:10 PM.
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| Happy | Jul 26 2014, 06:14 PM Post #15 |
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yuss that might be it ^^ but as i stated in the topic that i looked into the ki guide however i even went as far as to say that even i myself arent sure so thank you for explaining ^^ but would you be as kind as to read the post ? it might be interresting and yes i do know that i wrapped it up horribly and that is certainly true ^^ Edited by Happy, Jul 26 2014, 06:15 PM.
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