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mssj vs fpssj
Topic Started: Jul 26 2014, 02:11 PM (1,444 Views)
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I wanted to understand why there are two names for the perfected SSj. Which came first? Where did the latter name come from?
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Super Saiyajin Full Power is the official name for... well... FPSSJ. MSSJ is a fan term that was created to sound cooler I guess:
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SUPER SAIYAN FULL POWER
First Appears: Vol. 34+
Goku trained in the Room of Spirit and Time before his fight with Cell. He draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits, and the aura that surrounds him is different.

Vol. 33 / Chp. 387
Goku decided that an unreasonable power-up was a disadvantage.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120308230017/http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=04&id=grow_up#link
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Well, to be honest, FP SSj is misleading of a name, as it kind of implies the form got more powerful, when that's not the case. They mastered the form, they didn't unlock some hidden power.
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The process of attaining FPSSJ makes the user super powerful so in that sense it's not misleading.
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Perhaps it's called full power because its creation caused Goku to gain a lot of power, thus being at his full power. The Super Exciting Guide backs up the fact that his FPSSJ training alone caused him to gain exponentially.

Edit: Prince beat me to it.
Edited by SSJ, Jul 26 2014, 02:47 PM.
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Not to brag, but I distinctly remember coming up with Mastered Super Saiyan back during my MFG days as either SaiyajinPerfection or Lord Gojira during a debate with someone. I don't know if I was actually the first person to use it or not, but I remember never seeing it before.
Whoever it was that I was debating with seemed to like the term, and it seemed to take off from there.

Full Power Super Saiyan is the official term, but didn't really make sense to me at the time (and still doesn't).
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I just prefer MSSJ honestly.

Plus, it's quicker to type.

Call me lazy, whatever.
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Well there was a reason for the gains, right? It wasn't hax. I don't know if thats the point you guys are making but it wasn't as simple as "Goku mastered Super Saiyan so his base form is much stronger"

Or am I wrong?
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'Mastered Super Saiyan' gets the idea of the 'form' across better; mastering it allowed Goku to reduce the strain of it to basically nothing. The 'increasing power exponentially' part is an aside from that.

Wasn't it referred to as 'Grade 4' somewhere?
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Jul 26 2014, 02:50 PM
Well there was a reason for the gains, right? It wasn't hax. I don't know if thats the point you guys are making but it wasn't as simple as "Goku mastered Super Saiyan so his base form is much stronger"

Or am I wrong?
That's kind of what happened. Goku/Gohan forced themselves through the strain of SSJ until it became natural. That was enough training to gain him tremendously. I'd post the Super Exciting Guide Training Edition, but I'm on my phone.
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Jul 26 2014, 02:52 PM


Wasn't it referred to as 'Grade 4' somewhere?
Oh dear god, it doesn't need further separation from SSj like that, haha
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'Mastered Super Saiyan' gets the idea of the 'form' across better; mastering it allowed Goku to reduce the strain of it to basically nothing. The 'increasing power exponentially' part is an aside from that.

Wasn't it referred to as 'Grade 4' somewhere?
Yes.

It's nearly impossible to find because it wasn't posted on the official Kanzenshuu site, but Herms did translate the guidebook with the Trunks Special, and this guidebook also went through the Super Saiyan forms (at the time).

Full Power Super Saiyan was originally called "Grade 4" and Super Saiyan 2 was originally called "Grade 5".
It wasn't until the Daiz came out that FPSSj was actually given the name that we know it by now. However, "Super Saiyan 2" and "Super Saiyan 3" were named during the Boo Arc by Goku.

So there were no actual levels at this point in time before the Boo arc.
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"He draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits, and the aura that surrounds him is different."

That's assuming the drawing out limits part is referring to the mastering. My interpretation is that their mastering of the form allowed for them to both increase their ki control and train much longer in SSJ, meaning that they reached their limits sooner. 'Course, this can be disputed by using the line itself.
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Jul 26 2014, 02:55 PM
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Well there was a reason for the gains, right? It wasn't hax. I don't know if thats the point you guys are making but it wasn't as simple as "Goku mastered Super Saiyan so his base form is much stronger"

Or am I wrong?
That's kind of what happened. Goku/Gohan forced themselves through the strain of SSJ until it became natural. That was enough training to gain him tremendously. I'd post the Super Exciting Guide Training Edition, but I'm on my phone.
Well that simply confirms my beliefs, that it was just training gains enhanced by SSj strain

But you know what, Ill call it whatever the hell I feel like calling it at the time haha
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Found it!
The "Grade 4" and "Grade 5" translation was posted on the Kanzenshuu newsfeed.

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