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Which Trunks did Cell kill?
Topic Started: Jul 26 2014, 01:22 AM (1,486 Views)
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I'm not talking about the Cell Games and Cell killing that Trunks with a death beam..I'm talking about the other Trunks that Cell killed, the one who's time machine he stole


Cell comes from his own timeline, right? So when that Cell killed Trunks and took his time machine, is that the time machine owned by the Trunks that was born out of Cell's timeline? Or did he kill the Trunks that travelled back in time to his timeline? Because there is a Trunks that was born out of a mysterious 4th timeline that traveled to Cell's timeline to warn the Z Senshi there about the incoming Android invasion. This is quite plainly stated by Cell when he is explaining his origin to Kamiccolo that the sample of Freeza's component in him was taken by when Trunks killed Freeza, and the reason the data robot didnt take any cells from Trunks is because they had enough Saiyan cells already from Goku and Vegeta.

Timeline 1. Main Timeline - The Trunks that was born out of this timeline though doesn't end up time traveling, he's just the baby sucking Bulma's tit in the Android arc, and the brat we know in the Buu arc. The Cell that was born from this timeline is killed by Krillin as an underdeveloped fetus in Dr. Gero's basement laboratory. OK simple enough, right?

Timeline 2. Future Trunks' Timeline - The Trunks that was born from this timeline ends up traveling to timeline 1 several times and gets 2 huge power ups from 2 years in the Room of Spirit and Time. With that massive power increase he easily dispatches The Cell that was born from this timeline as this Cell is in his 1st form when killed.

Timeline 3. Cell's Timeline- . The Cell that was born out of this timeline ended up traveling to timeline 1 and absorbed the Androids there achieved Perfection and was killed by that timeline 1's Gohan in the epic Cell Games. It's the Cell we are all familiar with. But the Trunks that was born from this timeline? Is that the one Cell killed and stole his time machine? Or did this Trunks die another way? Or did this Trunks never die? I dunno.

Timeline 4. Mysterious Timeline - The Trunks that was born out of this timeline travels to Cell's timeline to warn the others of the Androids and kills Mecha Freeza in Cell's timeline. Obviously Cell's timeline turns out the be a disaster. So did this Trunks travel back to timeline 3 and get killed by Cell and robbed Trunks of his time machine as well? Or did he never return? We also have no idea what becomes of the Cell born in this timeline.
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The Trunks that Cell kills in the Future was the one from the original unaltered time-line.
In this time-line, Bulma builds a device that shuts down 17 and 18, and Trunks plans on going to the past for some reason. The most logical assumption is that he goes into the past to kill Gero before Gero makes 17 and 18.

Before Trunks can go to the past, he is killed by Cell, who is the Cell that we see emerge in the main time line with the Cell Games and Gohan reaching SSj2.
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Jul 26 2014, 01:48 AM
The Trunks that Cell kills in the Future was the one from the original unaltered time-line.
In this time-line, Bulma builds a device that shuts down 17 and 18, and Trunks plans on going to the past for some reason. The most logical assumption is that he goes into the past to kill Gero before Gero makes 17 and 18.

Before Trunks can go to the past, he is killed by Cell, who is the Cell that we see emerge in the main time line with the Cell Games and Gohan reaching SSj2.
Which timeline is the original unaltered timeline? Timeline 4 by my list?

This Trunks already came and killed the Mecha Freeza of Cell's timeline. So you're saying he returns to Cell's timeline?
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Maybe this should help.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8840143&t=8432008

The first 4 timelines in the post are the ones that are canon and the other 3 are assumptions by me. Feel free to ignore the Movies if you want, those were just guesses by me.
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Your timelines are inaccurate. No one traveled to Future Trunks timeline other than the TRunks that was born out of that timeline himself, no one could have created it.

There are no outside timeline visitors to Future Trunks timeline.


1. Future Trunks timeline, no outside visitors
2. Main timeline, two outside visitors from 2 different timelines..one would be Future Trunks from his timeline, one would be Cell from his own timeline
3. Cell timeline, one outside visitor from the 4th timeline, that's a Trunks from the 4th timeline. This Trunks kills Mecha Freeza in Cell's timeline
4. Mysterious 4th timeline - unknown details about visitors.


What my OP was asking is did Cell kill the Trunks that was born out of his own timeline? Or did he kill the Trunks that was from the 4th timeline?
Edited by The Internet Dictator, Jul 26 2014, 03:34 AM.
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Jul 26 2014, 03:24 AM
Your timelines are inaccurate. No one traveled to Future Trunks timeline other than the TRunks that was born out of that timeline himself, no one could have created it.

There are no outside timeline visitors to Future Trunks timeline.
The Last 3 Timelines in my post were hypothetical Alternate Universes where other non-canon stories could take place.

And I think your a bit confused. The first timeline was the original, unaltered timeline. Timelines 2, 3, & 4 were created as a result of both Trunks and Cell's travels to the past.
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Jul 26 2014, 03:35 AM
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Jul 26 2014, 03:24 AM
Your timelines are inaccurate. No one traveled to Future Trunks timeline other than the TRunks that was born out of that timeline himself, no one could have created it.

There are no outside timeline visitors to Future Trunks timeline.
The Last 3 Timelines in my post were hypothetical Alternate Universes where other non-canon stories could take place.

And I think your a bit confused. The first timeline was the original, unaltered timeline. Timelines 2, 3, & 4 were created as a result of both Trunks and Cell's travels to the past.


I wasnt even paying attention to your movies and last 3 timelines.

Ok, so what you are saying is the first unaltered timeline is Cell's timeline? No one from an alternate timeline came to his timeline?

If so that's incorrect.
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Jul 26 2014, 03:39 AM
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Jul 26 2014, 03:35 AM
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Jul 26 2014, 03:24 AM
Your timelines are inaccurate. No one traveled to Future Trunks timeline other than the TRunks that was born out of that timeline himself, no one could have created it.

There are no outside timeline visitors to Future Trunks timeline.
The Last 3 Timelines in my post were hypothetical Alternate Universes where other non-canon stories could take place.

And I think your a bit confused. The first timeline was the original, unaltered timeline. Timelines 2, 3, & 4 were created as a result of both Trunks and Cell's travels to the past.


I wasnt even paying attention to your movies and last 3 timelines.

Ok, so what you are saying is the first unaltered timeline is Cell's timeline? No one from an alternate timeline came to his timeline?

If so that's incorrect.
Is their any reason for that timeline to be altered?
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Jul 26 2014, 03:48 AM
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Jul 26 2014, 03:35 AM
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Jul 26 2014, 03:24 AM
Your timelines are inaccurate. No one traveled to Future Trunks timeline other than the TRunks that was born out of that timeline himself, no one could have created it.

There are no outside timeline visitors to Future Trunks timeline.
The Last 3 Timelines in my post were hypothetical Alternate Universes where other non-canon stories could take place.

And I think your a bit confused. The first timeline was the original, unaltered timeline. Timelines 2, 3, & 4 were created as a result of both Trunks and Cell's travels to the past.


I wasnt even paying attention to your movies and last 3 timelines.

Ok, so what you are saying is the first unaltered timeline is Cell's timeline? No one from an alternate timeline came to his timeline?

If so that's incorrect.
Is their any reason for that timeline to be altered?
Didnt you read my OP?

There was a TRunks from an alternate timeline that came to Cell's timeline..before he was even born! And he killed Mecha Freeza and Cold in Cell's timeline


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But by the time he started life in his timeline, the Androids had been destroyed. Hence why Cell travels back to the main timeline.
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The Trunks that kills Mecha Freeza in Cell's timeline has to come from a 4th timeline we know almost nothing about.
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Trunks could have easily went back through timelines 3 and 4. Timelines 1 and 3 are supposed to mirror each other while 2 and 4 mirror each other as well for the most part.

Only Timelines 1 and 3 have the whole Future Androids Killing everyone deal. 1 would be the Timeline where Trunks is killed by Cell and 3 would be the Timeline where Cell is killed by Trunks. Timelines 2 and 4 are where the Z-Fighters don't get killed by the Androids with 2 being the unseen Timeline and 4 being the canon timeline.

To put it simply...

- Trunks starts off in Timeline 1, goes to Timeline 2.
- Trunks arrives in Timeline 2, kills Mecha Freeza and Cold, gives Goku the medicine and returns to Timeline 1.
- Trunks once again travels to Timeline 2, finds the Blueprints, deactivates the Androids (and possibly kills Cell as well in Gero's Laboratory) and returns to Timeline 1 with the Blueprints he got. Movie 7 could potentially take place in this timeline.
- Trunks uses the Blueprints from Timeline 2 and deactivates the Androids of Timeline 1. Trunks intends to take another visit to Timeline 2 to tell the Z-Fighters about his success but is killed by Cell and Cell uses his Time Machine to create Timeline 3 and possibly 4 as well.

- This Trunks starts off in Timeline 3 and goes to Timeline 4 similar to his counterpart.
- Likewise, he kills Freeza/Cold and gives Goku the medicine, goes back to Timeline 3.
- Trunks returns to Timeline 4 and the Android/Cell Sagas play out as they do in the Canon Manga.
- Trunks, having become a lot stronger due to his RoSaT trips is easily able to destroy the Androids of his time as well as the Cell of his timeline 3 years later.


That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
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Jul 26 2014, 04:33 AM
Trunks could have easily went back through timelines 3 and 4. Timelines 1 and 3 are supposed to mirror each other while 2 and 4 mirror each other as well for the most part.

Only Timelines 1 and 3 have the whole Future Androids Killing everyone deal. 1 would be the Timeline where Trunks is killed by Cell and 3 would be the Timeline where Cell is killed by Trunks. Timelines 2 and 4 are where the Z-Fighters don't get killed by the Androids with 2 being the unseen Timeline and 4 being the canon timeline.

To put it simply...

- Trunks starts off in Timeline 1, goes to Timeline 2.
- Trunks arrives in Timeline 2, kills Mecha Freeza and Cold, gives Goku the medicine and returns to Timeline 1.
- Trunks once again travels to Timeline 2, finds the Blueprints, deactivates the Androids (and possibly kills Cell as well in Gero's Laboratory) and returns to Timeline 1 with the Blueprints he got. Movie 7 could potentially take place in this timeline.
- Trunks uses the Blueprints from Timeline 2 and deactivates the Androids of Timeline 1. Trunks intends to take another visit to Timeline 2 to tell the Z-Fighters about his success but is killed by Cell and Cell uses his Time Machine to create Timeline 3 and possibly 4 as well.

- This Trunks starts off in Timeline 3 and goes to Timeline 4 similar to his counterpart.
- Likewise, he kills Freeza/Cold and gives Goku the medicine, goes back to Timeline 3.
- Trunks returns to Timeline 4 and the Android/Cell Sagas play out as they do in the Canon Manga.
- Trunks, having become a lot stronger due to his RoSaT trips is easily able to destroy the Androids of his time as well as the Cell of his timeline 3 years later.


Ok..so for you

Timeline 4 is main timeline
Timeline 3 is Future Trunks timeline
Timeline 2 is the mysterious timeline
Timeline 1 is Cell's timeline

The problem with your breakdown is there was a Trunks from Timeline 2 that came to timeline 1..not the visa versa. Trunks from timeline 2 kills Mecha Freeza in timeline 1.

Timeline 1, Cell's time, is the weird one.

In this timeline Trunks from another Timeline kills Mecha Freeza and Cold, brings Goku the medicine, warns about the Androids
Androids still win the battle and kill pretty much all the Z Senshi except maybe the Trunks who was born in timeline 1
Cell is born and finds out the Androids have later been beaten/deactiveted, so he steals Trunks time machine and goes to the main timeline which is timeline 4.


Like I said, Cell's timeline cannot be the starting timeline. Because Mecha Freeza is killed by another Trunks which visits this timeline.
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1: Trunks that was born in the unaltered timeline, also traveled between Timeline's 1 and 2, Cell Timeline

2: The timeline Trunks traveled to and killed Mecha Freeza/Cold and gave Goku the medicine, Unseen Timeline

3: Trunks that was born in the altered timeline due to Cell's time travel, also traveled between Timeline's 3 and 4, Trunks's Timeline

4: The timeline that were all familiar with in the Manga, Canon Timeline
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Jul 26 2014, 04:53 AM
1: Trunks that was born in the unaltered timeline, also traveled between Timeline's 1 and 2, Cell Timeline

2: The timeline Trunks traveled to and killed Mecha Freeza/Cold and gave Goku the medicine, Unseen Timeline

3: Trunks that was born in the altered timeline due to Cell's time travel, also traveled between Timeline's 3 and 4, Trunks's Timeline

4: The timeline that were all familiar with in the Manga, Canon Timeline
What evidence is there that the Trunks that was born in the Cell timeline traveled to another timeline? I thought he was heading to the main timeline, that's how Cell ended up in the main timeline, no?
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Timeline 1 : Canon timeline
Timeline 2 : The Original timeline
Timeline 3 : Cell timeline
Timeline 4 : Unknown timeline

T2 Trunks travels to T1, takes out Freeza and Cold, then returns again during the fight with the Androids, returning to T2 after the Cell Games.

T3 Trunks travels to T4, takes out Freeza and Cold, then returns again during the fight with the Androids. Once he got the plans from Gero's land he returned to T3, where Bulma used the plans to develop a kill-switch for the Androids, which Trunks used. T3 Cell, not being able to find the Androids, sees T3 Trunks getting into his Time Machine, going back to inform T4 of his success. He kills Trunks and takes the Time Machine into the past, arriving a year before Freeza does. Cell being there and causing ripples in time causes changes and, as such, T1 is born.

In T4, the Z-Senshi are left with the Androids. It's likely that things played out as they did in T1, just without Trunks there.
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@ Naked Snake,

Who killed Mecha Freeza and Cold in Cell's timeline/timeline 3?
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