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How strong is Karin?
Topic Started: Jul 25 2014, 08:46 PM (2,711 Views)
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 25 2014, 11:31 PM
Toriyama's new statement about Saiyans getting stronger when they fight applies well here. He had already fought through Muscle Tower.
I agree with this.

fighting is training basically. Running the muscle tower gauntlet is the same thing as training.
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He got hurt bad at Muscle Tower. He got a zenkai. Less than a day of " training " in Muscle Tower ain't enough to improve.
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 25 2014, 11:31 PM
Toriyama's new statement about Saiyans getting stronger when they fight applies well here. He had already fought through Muscle Tower.
It barely applies. His statement says that Saiyan strength increases during fights against strong people...meaning that if Goku fights someone strong, his power increases as the fight drags on (which, btw, never happens in the manga). That's not the same as "he fought a bunch of RRA people, got beat up some, then rested and became stronger afterwards." Moreover, the manga (which I'd take over 2014 Trolliyama info any day) seems to want us to think that they were zenkais:
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Vegeta: “Zarbon…Weren’t you supposed to know a lot about Saiyans? It wasn’t a good idea for you to carelessly treat me after I almost died…Don’t you think so? Saiyans can steadily increase their battle power each time they recover from near death…”
Kuririn: “So…so that’s it…! Now that he mentions it, Goku also got stronger every time he had a fierce fight…Dam-dammit! So that’s why Vegeta’s ki has risen so darn much…!”
Granted, Krillin mentions fierce fighting, not near death instances, but I'd chalk that up to Toriyama not thinking ahead as usual. If you're not convinced, then I guess it doesn't matter to me what you think the means were behind Goku's strength increases as long as you acknowledge that they existed.
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I think he got a zenkai post 21st Budokai, not post Muscle Tower...i'd have to see his condition post Muscle Tower.

But the Red Ribbon saga and Muscle Tower guantlet...along with all the stuff like Pirate Robot and Goku got a power up from that..that's just basically intense training like with a partner or something. Anyway I doubt his increase was huge...never seemed to be implied that it was.
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post 21st
post muscle tower

Not much of a difference but he looks worse off in the latter pic :/ Not anywhere "near death" in either of them.
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A zenkai happens when you are pushed to the brink of death, not when you are worn out. That never happened in the scenarios you are brining up Kyo. He was never on the brink of death prior to Blue.
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Please reread my posts and reword your own.
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I read your posts. A fierce fight as Krillin says directly contradicts all other statements about zenakis, even the sentence right before it from Vegeta. The strength increases come from the battles he fights, but they are not zenkais.

The zenkais I can accept would be post Piccolo Daimao (old), post young Piccolo Daimao, and maybe after the 23rd (can't recall how badly beaten he was).

Edit: Forgot to mention Tao Pai Pai as well.
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Why would you accept Tao Pai Pai but not Tambourine?
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Jul 26 2014, 12:21 AM
Why would you accept Tao Pai Pai but not Tambourine?
Good point, I'll accept neither.
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Yea I think Goku gets stronger after he's been damaged a good deal.

For example, post 21st Budokai and post Muscle Tower, I think he got at least some small increases in power. I'm going to go with ~ 1.1x boost in power after being in an all out battle.

Fights like Piccolo Daimao, Ma Junior I'd like to think he got some substantial increase.

It's far different here though. After a tough battle, Goku can shake it off and eat some food and he's good. In DBZ, if they aren't getting healed, they aren't getting a zenkai.
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When did he go all out in Muscle tower? He told Metallic that he was going to start going all out, but then Metallic died so he never had the chance to. Surely he didn't go all out against Murasaki. He did against Buyon, but that wasn't a battle. The only hit he took was Buyon's laser thing which Goku just shrugged off.
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I personally gave him a battle power of 170-175 to Goku's 180 at the 22nd Budokai so he's pretty strong.
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Goku was in more 'peril' after the fight against Old Piccolo. He could've gotten a zenkai after that. Although, he was pretty banged up after Tambourine too. If it was enough to warrant a zenkai, I don't know.

I think Karin was pretty close to Post-Piccolo fight Goku. His wording doesn't imply Goku has surpassed him by a huge amount.

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Q, I told you to reread my posts because you were just repeating points I've already brought up or have addressed. You also did it again when you replied.
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 26 2014, 12:08 AM
A zenkai happens when you are pushed to the brink of death, not when you are worn out.
Kyouks
Jul 25 2014, 11:54 PM
Moreover, the manga (which I'd take over 2014 Trolliyama info any day) seems to want us to think that they were zenkais
Kyouks
Jul 25 2014, 11:54 PM
Granted, Krillin mentions fierce fighting, not near death instances, but I'd chalk that up to Toriyama not thinking ahead as usual.
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 26 2014, 12:08 AM
That never happened in the scenarios you are brining up Kyo. He was never on the brink of death prior to Blue.
Kyouks
Jul 25 2014, 11:17 PM
How 'bout Goku's zenkai right before he fights Blue? Was he ever near death before that?
Kyouks
Jul 26 2014, 12:03 AM
post 21st
post muscle tower

Not much of a difference but he looks worse off in the latter pic :/ Not anywhere "near death" in either of them.
Kyouks
Jul 25 2014, 11:54 PM
Granted, Krillin mentions fierce fighting, not near death instances, but I'd chalk that up to Toriyama not thinking ahead as usual.
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 26 2014, 12:13 AM
A fierce fight as Krillin says directly contradicts all other statements about zenakis, even the sentence right before it from Vegeta.
Kyouks
Jul 25 2014, 11:54 PM
Granted, Krillin mentions fierce fighting, not near death instances, but I'd chalk that up to Toriyama not thinking ahead as usual.
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 26 2014, 12:13 AM
The strength increases come from the battles he fights, but they are not zenkais.
Kyouks
Jul 25 2014, 11:54 PM
Moreover, the manga (which I'd take over 2014 Trolliyama info any day) seems to want us to think that they were zenkais
Kyouks
Jul 25 2014, 11:54 PM
I'd chalk that up to Toriyama not thinking ahead as usual.
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 26 2014, 12:08 AM
The zenkais I can accept would be post Piccolo Daimao (old), post young Piccolo Daimao, and maybe after the 23rd (can't recall how badly beaten he was).
He was only knocked out after old Pic:

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As for the 23rd, he had a hole blown through his chest. Kept fighting for a while after that, yes, but it seemed to continue weakening him.

Edit: p gets it.
p123
Jul 26 2014, 12:32 AM
It's far different here though. After a tough battle, Goku can shake it off and eat some food and he's good. In DBZ, if they aren't getting healed, they aren't getting a zenkai.
Edited by Kyouks, Jul 26 2014, 01:07 AM.
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