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| Madara vs Aizen; Warning: Lots of Scenarios | |
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| Copy_Ninja | Jul 25 2014, 11:48 AM Post #1 |
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Be ready for a big number of scenarios. Just want to get an idea of what people think Location: Fake Karakura Town Knowledge: None of either each other specifically or the verse in general. Literally just come across each other. Mindset: Both act in character. Scenario 1: VOTE Madara (no Kyuubi) vs Shinigami Aizen Scenario 2: 4th World War Madara (no Edo Tensei regeneration) vs Shinigami Aizen Scenario 3: Post Rinne Tensei Madara (with 1 Rinnegan) vs Shinigami Aizen Scenario 4: Post RT Madara vs Butterfly Aizen Scenario 5: Post RT Madara vs Monster Aizen Scenario 6: Madara (Juubi Jinchuriki) vs Monster Aizen Answers for all six please. Edited by Copy_Ninja, Jul 25 2014, 12:05 PM.
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| + Steve | Jul 25 2014, 11:53 AM Post #2 |
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What about some Genjutsu knowledge in them? I think without Genjutsu Aizen would win a lot of the times but with it, Madara almost all the way. Either knowledge or resistance. Also basic Shinigami Aizen or just before any transformations, Hogyoko in place? EDIT assuming Aizen hasn't studied Narutoverse and learnt everything about it including the ending already. Edited by Steve, Jul 25 2014, 11:54 AM.
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| Copy_Ninja | Jul 25 2014, 12:04 PM Post #3 |
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Edited knowledge in to OP. Shinigami Aizen is Aizen before any transformations, not influenced by the Hogyoku in any way. |
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| + Steve | Jul 25 2014, 12:20 PM Post #4 |
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Actually Kyouka isn't banned like it is most of the time so Genjutsu is fine I guess Scenario 1: VOTE Madara (no Kyuubi) vs Shinigami Aizen 50/50 based on Genjustu and Kyouka. In a straight fight Madara would probably win eventually he has more defensive skills, I'd say Aizen is the faster of the two. Scenario 2: 4th World War Madara (no Edo Tensei regeneration) vs Shinigami Aizen Madara, unless Aizen abuses Kyouka right away. Scenario 3: Post Rinne Tensei Madara (with 1 Rinnegan) vs Shinigami Aizen Madara again. Scenario 4: Post RT Madara vs Butterfly Aizen This would be even I think, it would probably take a mad powerful Genjutsu to do anything to Aizen and it doesn't seem like Aizen can or bothers to use Kyouka. Scenario 5: Post RT Madara vs Monster Aizen Probably Aizen with a barrage of those blasts from the skulls, with no clear limit to his energy he could probably spam them a lot. Scenario 6: Madara (Juubi Jinchuriki) vs Monster Aizen Madara, his limbo, shield, regen and defence give him huge advantages. Not to mention Bijuudama should he choose to make them. As well as Rinnegan techniques. I wonder how Rinnegan soul stealing would work with the Hogyoko? |
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| + supersaqer | Jul 25 2014, 12:31 PM Post #5 |
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Madara has a big chance here. His Perfect Susanoo can withstand any attack from this Aizen, however, if Madara falls into Aizen's Kyo, he's probably gonna fall down. Probably gonna give it to Aizen since he immediately activates his Shikai, where Madara won't activate his Susanoo. It's the same as above, but with unlimited stamina, right? I don't think you included Rinnegan here since you didn't post it in the brackets. It would be the same as above. If it was bloodlust, Madara would win with his Susanoo. If it's IC, which is a given rule here, Aizen wins, but it would be harder than above. I doubt Madara would go and suicide with the meteor attack, and the rest of the abilities would fail against Kyo. Basically the same as above, albeit harder. Madara loses this one. Aizen can teleport, but Madara can counter it with Sage Mode. Aizen is physically stronger than Madara too, and his Kido would most likely take Madara down. Aizen nukes him. Aizen is way too powerful for Madara. This one goes to Madara obviously. Massive Bijuu Bombs at hand, Black Orbs, and his staff. Aizen cannot do anything here. If he was capable of dodging the black orbs, and transforms into an another being, he would most likely be capable of fighting Madara, but I think this is restricted here. Madara wins simply. That's what I think. |
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| + Steve | Jul 25 2014, 12:43 PM Post #6 |
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Actually thinking about it now would Kyouka even work? Sharingan might be able to see through it... Or at least allow Madara to break out of it. It doesn't seem as complex as Genjutsu just hax in Bleach since nobody can dispel it in any way. I think it'd probably be good for a few dodges and then Madara might work out how to see through it, unless it can alter the Sharingan's perception and null any ability to see through Genjutsu type abilities. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Jul 25 2014, 12:46 PM Post #7 |
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Nope, it's all his feats from when he's first resurrected. He has Hashirama's Mokuton abilities as well as the Rinnegan. The reason I had to specifically mention the Rinnegan for the next Madara is because when he's initially revived he has no eyes, which obviously has a big effect on his power. |
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| + supersaqer | Jul 25 2014, 12:55 PM Post #8 |
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The outcome wouldn't change much. Both of them are in character, right? Madara starts with his normal sharingan, where Aizen starts with Kyouka Suigetsu. KS is a very complex technique, and it would most likely top all the genjutsu par the moon plan. If it was bloodlust, then I would see Madara taking out Aizen by summoning the wooden forest + poison, and a lot of branches coming at his way. Madara can use his Katon to burn down the forest. I suppose Aizen will get out with his Shunpo, but he has a big purple statue in his way. The next Madara is a lot weaker than this Madara. He would definately lose. Even if Madara was blood lust. |
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| + Steve | Jul 25 2014, 01:07 PM Post #9 |
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I don't think Kyouka is that complex really it's just not something Bleach abilities are suitable for dealing with their illusion Bankai/Shikai's are pretty basic. Aizen's just does all senses so it f***s up everyone as they have no defence against illusion, so in Bleach it's ridiculously complex but compared to Genjutsu, not really. I think when faced with a Sharingan it wouldn't work as good, they'd probably see Aizen but also see where his energy his focused, so where he actually is. Just their touch etc would still be mangled but their eyes are their weapons. Failing that they'd no doubt be able to see how distorted the chakra is and realize they're under a "Genjutsu" |
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| + supersaqer | Jul 25 2014, 01:43 PM Post #10 |
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Kyouka Suigetsu is very different from your basic Genjutsu. It f***s up your senses, and you would mistake something for something easily. It's very complex. All it takes is a look at Aizen's Zanpaktou, and boom, you're under his ability. You wouldn't know anything. You wouldn't notice that you're under KS, and because Madara lacks knowledge about it, he'd fall to it. |
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| + Steve | Jul 25 2014, 02:48 PM Post #11 |
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Depends on how it works against a Sharingan though it was never met with anything like it, they see through Genjutsu and it's a pretty weak one really it's nowhere near as powerful as the likes of Tsukiyomi it's just like a real time perception alteration. Sharingan is too hax and complex to just say it would work on it perfectly well, their other senses might get confused but their eyes should see through it on some level. Given that Aizen creates things in his illusions too he probably has to understand them to do so, so he'd probably need to know what a Sharingan is/does before he can manipulate it's perception. |
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