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Insane Clown Posse's fans "The Juggalos" listed by FBI as a Gang
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 25 2014, 03:42 AM (826 Views)
* Ketchup Revenge	Jul 25 2014, 03:42 AM Post #1
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	This is old news, but thought of making this thread because I recently ran across a sexual harassment lawsuit involving ICP. For the record, I absolutely loathe Insane Clown Posse and their "music". Insane Clown Posse is a hip-hop duo from Detroit, Michigan, who have actually been around since the mid 1980s, but didn't take off seriously until recent years with the help of the WWE. Their fan base is called the "Juggalos", and as of 2011, have been classified by the FBI as an actual gang in four states. Insane Clown Posse members "Violent J" and "Shaggy 2 Dope" have fought against the FBI as of 2014, wanting all criminal intelligence information on the Juggalos to be disposed of and the Juggalos to be taken off the noteworthy gang list. Despite this, the Juggalos have been known to align themselves with the "Bloods", a US gang that originated in Los Angeles; amongst other prison gangs. They are referenced to have turf wars with the MS-13 gang, a gang started in Los Angeles of which most members are from El Salvador. The Juggalos have been known to commit violent crimes, often wielding edged weapons (eg. axes) to the traditional fire-arm. Similarly, MS-13 gang members are known for using machetes. However, despite this classification, it has been stressed by experts that not all self-proclaimed Juggalos are violent or prone to violence. What are your thoughts about this? Do you think that the Juggalos have been unfairly classified by the FBI? Discuss.
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GokuBlaze	Jul 25 2014, 04:25 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,091 Group: Member Member #8,950 Joined: January 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga DBZ	WHOOP WHOOP! We aint a gang! Its all love homies!
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Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro	Jul 25 2014, 02:23 PM Post #3
Elder Posts: 1,080 Group: Member Member #9,167 Joined: March 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DB	I've heard there are like 2 types of Juggalos or factions. there's like the peaceful ones who are just into the music and then there are the really violent ones. I think it's really unfair to do that to ICP and the Juggalo fanbase. ICP has stated that they do not condone the acts caused by the violent Juggalos
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* Ketchup Revenge	Jul 25 2014, 04:37 PM Post #4
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	GokuBlaze Jul 25 2014, 04:25 AM WHOOP WHOOP! We aint a gang! Its all love homies! How do you explain the violent crimes though? These people who commit the violent crimes identify themselves as "Juggalos" and cite the band's music as an influence on their behavior. However, as both me and Saiyanbro cited, not all "Juggalos" are actually violent people. However, for the band to want all of the criminal behavior to be erased from FBI intelligence is a bit overboard in my opinion. They are in part responsible for their fans' behavior, and they do nothing but shake their fingers at them. They don't barre these people from their concerts and make no attempt to disassociate themselves from them aside from simply saying that they don't condone their behavior. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jul 25 2014, 04:39 PM.
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Dankness Lava	Jul 28 2014, 01:57 PM Post #5
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Could they be making up the part about not condoning the violence, just to make themselves look better?



Daemon Keido	Jul 28 2014, 09:47 PM Post #6
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Ben-Dan The Man Jul 28 2014, 01:57 PM Could they be making up the part about not condoning the violence, just to make themselves look better? They certainly wouldn't be the first violent group that claimed they aren't all violent.
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Graffiti	Aug 7 2014, 10:00 PM Post #7
MGD. Posts: 3,298 Group: GFX Team Member #204 Joined: February 21, 2005 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Black Lagoon, One Piece, DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Bleach	This is just wrong that they classify "Juggalos" as a gang. They are just fans of a certain genre of rap music, that ICP's music. You can say that about any other rap groups like N.W.A..etc
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Cal	Aug 8 2014, 07:56 PM Post #8
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	The 'bloods' are famous for having turf wars with folk nation or 'crips' not MS13. MS13 is a newer gang that derives from other nationalities outside of the US. -- Eh, first off it doesn't really matter if they're classified as a gang or not. Being part of a gang isn't a crime. It only becomes illegal when you take part in gang related activities that are illegal. Prime examples would be that both Snoop Dog and Paul Pierce are actual members of gangs (the bloods) and Paul Pierce has actually been fined by the NBA for flashing gang signs. -- ^This describes them well to be honest (that's a the male and female image for the juggalo). There were some isolated incidents and then they were all of a sudden characterized as a 'gang'. Not even 10% of states recognize them as even gang... As a Youth/Social Worker for the State of KY (which does recognize them as a gang) I've never came across one that was violent or was involved in gang activities and we are extensively trained in gang areas such as hard identifiers, soft identifiers, history, etc. I've met plenty of gang members who were though but they were part of the folk or people's nation (crips and bloods). -- All in all it doesn't matter if they're classified as a gang. D they deserve to be though? Not int he essence of a criminal one, no. Edited by Cal, Aug 8 2014, 07:56 PM.



Graffiti	Aug 8 2014, 08:42 PM Post #9
MGD. Posts: 3,298 Group: GFX Team Member #204 Joined: February 21, 2005 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Black Lagoon, One Piece, DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Bleach	I know its a minor correction, but Snoop was a crip tho lol, not a blood. I see what u mean tho... there are both positives and negatives about being in a gang. The positives is a gang is a like family to people who grew up with a functional one, and the negatives are you'll either end up dead or in a jail.
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Rockman	Sep 6 2014, 12:20 PM Post #10
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Graffiti Aug 8 2014, 08:42 PM The positives is a gang is a like family to people who grew up with a functional one, and the negatives are you'll either end up dead or in a jail. If you've ever heard a Juggalo speak, they consistently talk about what is most important to them. Family. Whether that be their immediate family or their juggalo buddies. They speak about how, (quoting from a juggalette at a festival), "ain't nobody f* wit my juggalo family, Name, Name, Name, Name, WOOT WOOT, FEYGO ALL DAY, Dats right b*s, IPC for life." Or something to that effect.
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King Furry	Sep 7 2014, 03:33 AM Post #11
Posts: 198 Group: Member Member #11,656 Joined: September 6, 2014 Gender Male Country United States	Ben-Dan The Man Jul 28 2014, 01:57 PM Could they be making up the part about not condoning the violence, just to make themselves look better? I don't know but when they rap about the s* they rap about it kind of condones violence. Not to compare their music with other past and present artists such as Tupac, Snoop, Dre, 50 Cent, Eminem, etc... who have done material about violence due to their upbringing and surroundings as youths in gang life and such. They actually rap about real s* that has happened to them, their family, loved ones, communities, etc... growing up in a poor, urban environment. ICP on the other hand does what I call "Joke rap" where they rap about over the top violence in scenarios that are clearly fictional yet condones violence of a general nature without a story about their lives being attached to it to create any sort of meaning to their own lives and poor urban upbringings like the other artists I mentioned. Perhaps symbolic, perhaps metaphorical, but when they rap about some of the silly, fictional stuff they do with violent imagery, it is bound to make many of their fans think violence is ok. It happens with some of the other rappers I have mentioned as well, but the majority of their fans know it isn't about condoning these acts but more so telling the story of how real life was for them.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Sep 7 2014, 03:46 AM Post #12
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	There's plenty of other artists who sing about violence though, and don't have hoards fans performing those acts in their name. For example, the Maggots are Slipknot fans, and you don't see them running around cutting people up. You'll get isolated events of murders from these fans, but that's never mob mentality in the band's name like it is with ICP. It's also different because these people who do these crimes call themselves Juggalos, and they use a hatchet in their violent crimes.
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King Furry	Sep 7 2014, 04:00 AM Post #13
Posts: 198 Group: Member Member #11,656 Joined: September 6, 2014 Gender Male Country United States	Ketchup Revenge Sep 7 2014, 03:46 AM There's plenty of other artists who sing about violence though, and don't have hoards fans performing those acts in their name. For example, the Maggots are Slipknot fans, and you don't see them running around cutting people up. You'll get isolated events of murders from these fans, but that's never mob mentality in the band's name like it is with ICP. It's also different because these people who do these crimes call themselves Juggalos, and they use a hatchet in their violent crimes. Fair point. I happen to be a maggot myself, and I am probably one of the most non violent people around. Slipknot gets me pumped, but not homicidal... lol I think it just comes down to the overall intelligence of these differing groups of fans, with ICP having some of the most dimwitted fans out there. I can't speak for every fan, and I am sure many very intelligent people are ICP fans, but pretty much 99% of the time I see a Juggalo being interviewed or whatever, they don't seem all that bright. Perhaps the majority of Juggalos have psychological issues and identify with ICP and their silly raps because of the fantasy aspect but the fans take it to a realistic level due to delusions of psychosis? I guess the same argument could be made for some fans of death metal and such, but as you said, it's a much bigger issue with ICP. Perhaps ICP's smart a***, jokey, make light of violence attitude is an issue where as with death metal and such it is more dark and serious? One would think the more serious, dark stuff would breed more violence but for whatever reason, apparently not as wide spread. What I can't stand though, regardless of overall fan base intelligence and mental issues and so on, is when politicians and the media like to blame the artists and their music as the cause and try to ban it, similar to how they have tried to do so with video games and such. Regardless of how idiotic some things are (Such as ICP) they are not to blame, but rather that individual fans psychological issues.
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