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Vegeta's tail - Toriyama
Topic Started: Jul 24 2014, 11:16 AM (1,994 Views)
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Jul 24 2014, 11:15 PM
Nah Piccolo tried holding the tail, not attacking it. Had he tried swinging Nappa around by his tail, I'm sure he could have had an effective attack.
And that woulda done what? Piss him off? They trained their tails; it's a weakness they were able to overcome.
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Jul 25 2014, 01:16 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 11:15 PM
Nah Piccolo tried holding the tail, not attacking it. Had he tried swinging Nappa around by his tail, I'm sure he could have had an effective attack.
And that woulda done what? Piss him off? They trained their tails; it's a weakness they were able to overcome.
You can almost think of it as an extra arm. In DB, Goku pretty much used his tail like an arm or a leg anyway. It's just another potential way for your opponent to grab hold of you, that's all.
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I'm with you on that. It's an extra arm indeed. It could even be an advantage in some cases. But when grabbed, how is it a disadvantage when it's trained to not stun and drop their power? They wrap it wound their waists for it to not to pester them, so that kind of in-the-way isn't too much of a problem. If anything, it could be more of an advantage as another limb to work with, since no harm could not be done because of training the weakness that initially comes with it.
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The thing about tails / body parts / scars and newly revived bodies has always confused me. I can accept Vegeta's tail not growing back right after his fight with Goku, but why wouldn't it come back when he gets wished back? Along the same line superperfectnerd's question, why does Tien get his arm back but Goku and Vegeta don't regrow their tails?

In DB didn't they have to keep the bodies cold and have life restored to them? And that whole thing just went out the window when they wished the others back to life post Namek and they just appeared whole and well? The whole concept of restoring life/healing wounds/regrowing body parts when wishes are involved confuses me.
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I think the frozen body thing may have just been out of respect, or maybe it's just easier for Shenron to restore a "used" body if he has that option.
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Jul 25 2014, 01:35 AM
The thing about tails / body parts / scars and newly revived bodies has always confused me. I can accept Vegeta's tail not growing back right after his fight with Goku, but why wouldn't it come back when he gets wished back? Along the same line superperfectnerd's question, why does Tien get his arm back but Goku and Vegeta don't regrow their tails?

In DB didn't they have to keep the bodies cold and have life restored to them? And that whole thing just went out the window when they wished the others back to life post Namek and they just appeared whole and well? The whole concept of restoring life/healing wounds/regrowing body parts when wishes are involved confuses me.
Well preserving the body only applied to King Piccolo. According to Kami, whoever is killed by a demon has his soul in a state of unrest and is unable to enter the Other World. It was proof of Piccolo's diminished evil that allowed Goku and Raditz to go to King Kai's and Hell respectively.
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Jul 25 2014, 01:32 AM
I'm with you on that. It's an extra arm indeed. It could even be an advantage in some cases. But when grabbed, how is it a disadvantage when it's trained to not stun and drop their power? They wrap it wound their waists for it to not to pester them, so that kind of in-the-way isn't too much of a problem. If anything, it could be more of an advantage as another limb to work with, since no harm could not be done because of training the weakness that initially comes with it.
Yeah it's all good and fine if they wrap it around themselves. I'm thinking more DB with this one here. Think of it this way, when Goku fought with Giant Piccolo, he grabbed him by the finger and threw him around. One could do this with a strengthened tail as well if they choose to do so. And it's really a tough thing to defend.
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Toriyama needs to really just stop with this random answers to questions and just go with the I forgot about it. To grab Goku ot Vegeta's tail at this point in the manga would have required multiple opponents and Goku found a way to overcome Gohan grabbing his tail anyway. Remember when Krillen grabbed it at the budokai? Also Gohan grabbed the tail before it was trained.
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This is why I have a problem with Super Saiyajin 4. The tail is scene as inferior in natural Saiyajin evolution.
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Toriyama needs to really just stop with this random answers to questions and just go with the I forgot about it. To grab Goku ot Vegeta's tail at this point in the manga would have required multiple opponents and Goku found a way to overcome Gohan grabbing his tail anyway. Remember when Krillen grabbed it at the budokai? Also Gohan grabbed the tail before it was trained.

You do realize this interview is super old right? This isn't recent, and I'm surprised more people didn't know of it's existence.
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The example with Frieza tail is kinda bad. Didn't Goku simply catch him by his tail and throw him into nearest rock? I am pretty sure that at least twice Goku used Frieza tail against him.
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Is this accurate to the original source? It says the same in my translated manga. Could be an oversight by AT.

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Considering "God" removed it for him, it might suggest some godly intervention was needed to remove a tail properly.

Still doesn't explain Goten and Trunks.
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It's simple really. As the Saiyajins grew stronger and nearer to Ssj, the tails were scene as genetically inferior, so they didn't grow back, and that's also why Goten and Trunks were born without tails. Goku's tail had to removed by Kami because it wasn't seen as inferior at the time.
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Jul 25 2014, 02:23 AM
This is why I have a problem with Super Saiyajin 4. The tail is scene as inferior in natural Saiyajin evolution.
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Toriyama needs to really just stop with this random answers to questions and just go with the I forgot about it. To grab Goku ot Vegeta's tail at this point in the manga would have required multiple opponents and Goku found a way to overcome Gohan grabbing his tail anyway. Remember when Krillen grabbed it at the budokai? Also Gohan grabbed the tail before it was trained.

You do realize this interview is super old right? This isn't recent, and I'm surprised more people didn't know of it's existence.
What does the date of the interview have to do with me calling out the info provided being stupid.
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Jul 25 2014, 07:01 PM
It's simple really. As the Saiyajins grew stronger and nearer to Ssj, the tails were scene as genetically inferior, so they didn't grow back, and that's also why Goten and Trunks were born without tails. Goku's tail had to removed by Kami because it wasn't seen as inferior at the time.
The tail could be recessive. Really low chance. Like if we use the Punnet Square it might be only 25% chance of getting it. Goten and Trunks most likely didn't get it. Though w never got an answer. We got a semi-hint that Trunks had a tail.
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Jul 26 2014, 01:02 AM
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Jul 25 2014, 02:23 AM
This is why I have a problem with Super Saiyajin 4. The tail is scene as inferior in natural Saiyajin evolution.
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Toriyama needs to really just stop with this random answers to questions and just go with the I forgot about it. To grab Goku ot Vegeta's tail at this point in the manga would have required multiple opponents and Goku found a way to overcome Gohan grabbing his tail anyway. Remember when Krillen grabbed it at the budokai? Also Gohan grabbed the tail before it was trained.

You do realize this interview is super old right? This isn't recent, and I'm surprised more people didn't know of it's existence.
What does the date of the interview have to do with me calling out the info provided being stupid.
You said Toriyama needs to stop with random answers as if this was recent.
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