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SSJ4 Goku vs Asura Wrath Verse
Topic Started: Jul 23 2014, 09:24 PM (2,501 Views)
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How far does he go?
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Jul 24 2014, 02:07 AM
Asura is only large star lvl with FtL speeds which is basically ssj4 goku stats
If he can break dimensions with his fists, he's well beyond that level.
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Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.

It's on you to prove he destroyed it. It looked to me like he merely made a crack in the wall.
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Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.


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Jul 24 2014, 02:09 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.
Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.


They did technically break out of Sugoroku Space

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however...

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Jul 24 2014, 02:31 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.


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Jul 24 2014, 02:09 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.
Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.


They did technically break out of Sugoroku Space

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Wtf? The whole dimension actually shattered?! I didn't know that.

I would have said asura but ssj4 goku's punches are more than likely far stronger than base goku's kamehameha so I say goku wins now
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Also another image proving Goku's KHH didn't do all the work...

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Of course we were going off the pretense of if Asura was shrunken down to human size, in reality the Asura who accomplished his shattering by himself had dwarfed the Earth.
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I don't understand the scan. I haven't seen those episodes in so long haha. What do you mean the khh didn't do all the work?
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What does his size have to do with it?

He gets hurt by star lvl attacks which ssj4 goku is more than capable of delivering
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Jul 24 2014, 02:47 AM
I don't understand the scan. I haven't seen those episodes in so long haha. What do you mean the khh didn't do all the work?
Basically the two green fellows were stuck there for who knows how long and had to win something like 536,000 times in a row in order to be allowed to leave. However they were cheating the entire time, so when Goku called them out on it the Dimension owners began getting angry and began ripping Sugoroku Space apart.

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His size is impressive because SSJ4 Goku can't make an attack with the Radius if 7-10 Earths, he would literally be poking tiny holes in him with his attacks. Not to mention all Asura would have to do is literally crush Goku with a palm, or even bodysplash the planet lol. It's simlar to the case of Majin Buu where you need an attack to fully encompass him in order to take him out. Not to mention Asura has regeneration, not to the degree of Boo mind you, but it's still regeneration.

Dimension Shattering is far above Star level.

The Star Level attacks you speak of were later dwarfed by the fact that when Asura punched Chakravartin the first time he blocked it with a finger and flicked Asura away. Then Asura gets angry and gradually powers up until he's kicking the crap out of Chakravartin. Then Chakravartin transforms into his "The Creator" form and we have a repeat, except this time the battle stretched from the Dimension Chakravartin controlled to the afterlife and back. Asura along the way SHATTERED the dimension in which the afterlife resided in, with a punch.
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He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.


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Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.
Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.


They did technically break out of Sugoroku Space

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however...

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So when Goku and others state,

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P7.3
Context: Boo fires a ki blast at the Earth, but Vegeta repels it
Goku: “Th-that was close…! Th-that bastard, he tried to blow away the Earth right off the bat…Thank you, Vegeta…”

It's literal but when he says he going to blow a dimension, it's too much?

Now the real question is are you trolling? Cause you guys are really making this hard to take serious.
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Jul 24 2014, 02:31 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.


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Jul 24 2014, 02:09 AM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.
Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.


They did technically break out of Sugoroku Space

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however...

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So when Goku and others state,

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P7.3
Context: Boo fires a ki blast at the Earth, but Vegeta repels it
Goku: “Th-that was close…! Th-that bastard, he tried to blow away the Earth right off the bat…Thank you, Vegeta…”

It's literal but when he says he going to blow a dimension, it's too much?

Now the real question is are you trolling? Cause you guys are really making this hard to take serious.
The difference between the thing you're bringing up (which is weak btw) and the case here is Sugoroku Space is shown to be falling apart and beginning to rip before Goku even flares his ki. It is up to you to show that Goku did all the work when we have a statement and we are shown the dimension is literally falling apart before he powers up and does a KHH.

What you just posted was some real weaksauce.
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Jul 24 2014, 03:48 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 03:46 AM
TConnor_Demonic
Jul 24 2014, 02:31 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.


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Jul 24 2014, 02:09 AM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.
Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.


They did technically break out of Sugoroku Space

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however...

Posted Image
So when Goku and others state,

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P7.3
Context: Boo fires a ki blast at the Earth, but Vegeta repels it
Goku: “Th-that was close…! Th-that bastard, he tried to blow away the Earth right off the bat…Thank you, Vegeta…”

It's literal but when he says he going to blow a dimension, it's too much?

Now the real question is are you trolling? Cause you guys are really making this hard to take serious.
The difference between the thing you're bringing up (which is weak btw) and the case here is Sugoroku Space is shown to be falling apart and beginning to rip before Goku even flares his ki. It is up to you to show that Goku did all the work when we have a statement and we are shown the dimension is literally falling apart before he powers up and does a KHH.

What you just posted was some real weaksauce.
That proves nothing, Goku simply sped up the process via a Kamehameha. What we're shown is Suguroku is falling apart, Goku gathers ki to blow it to kingdom come. No need for any further interpretation.
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Jul 24 2014, 02:31 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.


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Jul 24 2014, 02:09 AM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.
Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.


They did technically break out of Sugoroku Space

Posted Image

however...

Posted Image
So when Goku and others state,

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P7.3
Context: Boo fires a ki blast at the Earth, but Vegeta repels it
Goku: “Th-that was close…! Th-that bastard, he tried to blow away the Earth right off the bat…Thank you, Vegeta…”

It's literal but when he says he going to blow a dimension, it's too much?

Now the real question is are you trolling? Cause you guys are really making this hard to take serious.
The difference between the thing you're bringing up (which is weak btw) and the case here is Sugoroku Space is shown to be falling apart and beginning to rip before Goku even flares his ki. It is up to you to show that Goku did all the work when we have a statement and we are shown the dimension is literally falling apart before he powers up and does a KHH.

What you just posted was some real weaksauce.
That proves nothing, Goku simply sped up the process via a Kamehameha. What we're shown is Suguroku is falling apart, Goku gathers ki to blow it to kingdom come. No need for any further interpretation.
So you admit he didn't do all the work? Okay thank you, you just proved my point. You were going off of no context, the moment I show the context you throw a hissyfit and accuse me of being a troll. While I was unaware that this feat even existed before I called you one, I atleast showed everything in perspective with what was shown and stated. Saying Goku did all the work is ludicrous because it is stated and shown the dimension itself is falling apart before he even throws a KHH. If you want to throw a good argument then please go ahead, but the argument you've been giving thus far has been weak.
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He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.


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Jul 24 2014, 02:09 AM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.
Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.


They did technically break out of Sugoroku Space

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however...

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So when Goku and others state,

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P7.3
Context: Boo fires a ki blast at the Earth, but Vegeta repels it
Goku: “Th-that was close…! Th-that bastard, he tried to blow away the Earth right off the bat…Thank you, Vegeta…”

It's literal but when he says he going to blow a dimension, it's too much?

Now the real question is are you trolling? Cause you guys are really making this hard to take serious.
The difference between the thing you're bringing up (which is weak btw) and the case here is Sugoroku Space is shown to be falling apart and beginning to rip before Goku even flares his ki. It is up to you to show that Goku did all the work when we have a statement and we are shown the dimension is literally falling apart before he powers up and does a KHH.

What you just posted was some real weaksauce.
That proves nothing, Goku simply sped up the process via a Kamehameha. What we're shown is Suguroku is falling apart, Goku gathers ki to blow it to kingdom come. No need for any further interpretation.
So you admit he didn't do all the work? Okay thank you, you just proved my point. You were going off of no context, the moment I show the context you throw a hissyfit and accuse me of being a troll. While I was unaware that this feat even existed before I called you one, I atleast showed everything in perspective with what was shown and stated. Saying Goku did all the work is ludicrous because it is stated and shown the dimension itself is falling apart before he even throws a KHH. If you want to throw a good argument then please go ahead, but the argument you've been giving thus far has been weak.
You got that one but he still destroyed the overall dimension, and that's all I really needed.
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He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.


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Jul 24 2014, 02:09 AM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Jul 24 2014, 02:05 AM
He's referring to Goku escaping Suguroku Space, and even then he just broke a hole in the wall.
Prove he just broke a "wall" in the dimension, quotes would be preferable or a scans.


They did technically break out of Sugoroku Space

Posted Image

however...

Posted Image
So when Goku and others state,

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P7.3
Context: Boo fires a ki blast at the Earth, but Vegeta repels it
Goku: “Th-that was close…! Th-that bastard, he tried to blow away the Earth right off the bat…Thank you, Vegeta…”

It's literal but when he says he going to blow a dimension, it's too much?

Now the real question is are you trolling? Cause you guys are really making this hard to take serious.
The difference between the thing you're bringing up (which is weak btw) and the case here is Sugoroku Space is shown to be falling apart and beginning to rip before Goku even flares his ki. It is up to you to show that Goku did all the work when we have a statement and we are shown the dimension is literally falling apart before he powers up and does a KHH.

What you just posted was some real weaksauce.
That proves nothing, Goku simply sped up the process via a Kamehameha. What we're shown is Suguroku is falling apart, Goku gathers ki to blow it to kingdom come. No need for any further interpretation.
So you admit he didn't do all the work? Okay thank you, you just proved my point. You were going off of no context, the moment I show the context you throw a hissyfit and accuse me of being a troll. While I was unaware that this feat even existed before I called you one, I atleast showed everything in perspective with what was shown and stated. Saying Goku did all the work is ludicrous because it is stated and shown the dimension itself is falling apart before he even throws a KHH. If you want to throw a good argument then please go ahead, but the argument you've been giving thus far has been weak.
You got that one but he still destroyed the overall dimension, and that's all I really needed.
I'm not saying he didn't have any part in it, I was arguing that he wasn't the entire cause of it.

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the key you have to understand is that Goku with a KHH broke out of a cracked dimension. However, Asura erased a dimension that had no implicit weakness in its status with a single punch.

You can understand why the two feats stacked against each other make Asura seem stronger, can't you?
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Jul 24 2014, 02:17 AM
If he can break dimensions with his fists, he's well beyond that level.


Well, Super Boo and Ssj3 Gotenks broke a dimension with their Ki only, via screaming: I'd say that, at least, this is as impressive as breaking a dimension with fists (however, it is fair to say that all comes down to the magnitude of the feat itself).

Going by power-scaling, Ssj4 Goku (at least the one powered beyond limits) would take this fight, maybe even quite easily at that; the problem, as always, is that the way GT has been made sucks, and Ssj4 Goku's displays are far, far below what his actual capabilities would be, letting Asura to win this fight as far as actual feat displays are concerned.
So, for me:

- Theoretical power: Ssj4 Goku would take this.
- Actual displays: Asura takes this (thanks to the "beautiful" GT, where base kid Goku outperforms Ssj4 Goku basically every time).
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