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Urameshi's Overhauled PL List
Topic Started: Jul 23 2014, 08:38 PM (2,418 Views)
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Having a higher power
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having a power disadvantage
You contradict yourself.

How do you think he attained said strength? How do you think everyone knew he was superior to Cell as soon as he'd finished powering up?
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-You didn't use the official number for Freeza, so why do you need to for Zarbon/Dodoria?


-Trunks is stronger than Cell Yusuke.

Chapter: 387 (DBZ 193), P1.3, P2.1-3
Trunks: “What you’re about to see now…is my true power!!!”
Cell: “I see…It truly is magnificent power…You easily surpass me…But you can’t win against me like that…Absolutely not…”

Chapter: 387 (DBZ 193), P3.5.
Piccolo: “Absolutely incredible power! It’s even greater than Cell’s…! Un-unbelievable…!“

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- Didn't you argue at one point that Gohan was below the Humans?

Lol what? No. If I did I was trolling.
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Power is broken down into 2 components: Strength and Speed. In Trunks's case, he only increased his brute strength to a point were it surpassed Cell's yet he was at a significant speed disadvantage. Same story with Gohan and Cell. Cell only increased his speed to a point were it surpassed Gohan's but his strength was lacking as noted when his punches didn't drop Gohan's ki. Is this concept hard to grasp?

As for Gohan, his PL is okay because I have the former close to the Base Saiyans.
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Urameshi
Jul 23 2014, 09:37 PM
Is this concept hard to grasp?
Yes, considering that power tends to be synonymous with strength. Besides, if that's how you want to make the distinction, then how do you explain Piccolo saying, “Absolutely incredible power! It’s even greater than Cell’s…! Un-unbelievable…!”? Did Trunks mindscrew him to the point where he forgot that strength ≠ power?

Cell: “You’re such a greenhorn…So you didn’t even realize this would happen?...You said you’d show me your true power, but to think that you’d just use a transformation that relies even more on power…”

It appears that Cell also seems to think that Trunks' brute strength is his "power"...
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Jul 23 2014, 09:27 PM
How do you think he attained said strength? How do you think everyone knew he was superior to Cell as soon as he'd finished powering up?
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Raditz (Weakened): 200
This number sounds fishy to me.

If Raditz was that low, Goku or Piccolo would have noticed it, and immediately take him out. Since they didn't, a higher PL, maybe around 600-900, makes more sense.
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Jul 23 2014, 10:54 PM
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Raditz (Weakened): 200
This number sounds fishy to me.

If Raditz was that low, Goku or Piccolo would have noticed it, and immediately take him out. Since they didn't, a higher PL, maybe around 600-900, makes more sense.
Or maybe Raditz, even at 200, was too strong for them. They used a lot of energy too.
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Jul 23 2014, 10:56 PM
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Raditz (Weakened): 200
This number sounds fishy to me.

If Raditz was that low, Goku or Piccolo would have noticed it, and immediately take him out. Since they didn't, a higher PL, maybe around 600-900, makes more sense.
Or maybe Raditz, even at 200, was too strong for them. They used a lot of energy too.
They did, though I doubt they used sooo much energy to where they dropped under 200 in power level. Maybe like around 300, possibly.
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Goku was pretty banged up and Piccolo had used a lot of energy on his first Makankosappo. Although, I agree Piccolo probably didn't fall that low.
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Jul 23 2014, 10:59 PM
Goku was pretty banged up and Piccolo had used a lot of energy on his first Makankosappo. Although, I agree Piccolo probably didn't fall that low.
Though in Dragon Ball and early Z, it has been shown that even a gap of 100 in power level/estimated power level can make a difference.

So Raditz should be higher than that.
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Jul 23 2014, 08:54 PM
As long as Kid Vegeta is stronger than King Vegeta, I see no problem with putting him at 10,000.
King Vegeta is stronger than kid Vegeta prior to Planet Vegeta's destruction according to a guidebook. Vegeta said he'd surpassed his father at a young age, but he was still a small child after Vegeta's destruction so since that statement isn't contradicted, I would assume it's the case.
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Jul 23 2014, 08:42 PM
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Krillin (Post-Training): 8,000,000
Son Gohan (Post-Training): 9,000,000
Tenshinhan (Post-Training): 5,000,000

Really? After training with Goku and Piccolo for three years, he is pretty much equal to a human?

They are about 20 years older than Gohan and have about 15 years more in training / experience. Everyone is very impressed that Gohan is so strong considering his age. What was Goku at when he was 10 or 11ish?
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I doubt Raditz got so weak that even Krillin could beat him

I think Chaozu should be stronger, they expected him to help against Raditz tier+ foes

I think the words crippled and mortally injured should be flipped

Zarbon was getting his a*** kicked by Vegeta, he shouldn't be that close, especially when his best blast just gets deflected like that. Why does Base Zarbon even need to be stronger than Dodoria?

When did Freeza use 20 and 40%?

Why is Angry Kamehameha so weak?

19 with energy absorbed should be a bit stronger, he held onto Vegeta rather well and forced him to take a Senzu

17 said that if the Z-Fighters ganged up, 18 might not be able to handle them. Because of this, 18 ends up weaker and so does everyone else

If you include Hellzone Grenade's power, Android Barrier should be there too

Cell said USSJ Trunks was stronger than him. Changing his suppressed form to match this would be nice

I think Warp Kamehameha is way too big an amp

You made a mistake, you put Angry Gohan's power as the same as his regular

Bardock is a low class Saiyan, should be weaker

Dodoria's Elite should be stronger, they were able to hold down Bardock, if only briefly and their punches hurt him

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Whoa! Didn't see all of that lol.

Will respond to you guys tommorow, don't think i'll be able to get through all this right now.

Also, Weakned Raditz @200 was a major slip up by me lol. He should be @800, gonna fix that now.
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Nice PL list Urameshi. But you made a small mistake. It's cool. Lots of people make it, but you have Krillin stronger than Tien post Namek. Might wanna change that.

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I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Cell was hiding the bulk of his power, even from Android 16. Only Krillin knew what he was capable of.

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Zarbon was getting his a*** kicked by Vegeta, he shouldn't be that close, especially when his best blast just gets deflected like that. Why does Base Zarbon even need to be stronger than Dodoria?

I'm fairly certain it's in a canon powerlevel list, but it might also stated.
Edited by POOHEAD189, Jul 24 2014, 07:23 AM.
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