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Character Discussion - Vegeta and the Boo saga
Topic Started: Jul 23 2014, 02:56 AM (1,016 Views)
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We see quite a bit of Vegeta in the Boo saga, so I pose this question;

Was Vegeta's development during the Boo saga just a repeat of what happened during previous sagas?
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It might have been a little bit. Though this time Vegeta's feelings caused actual redemption that allowed him to be a better friend and father. My favorite Vegeta was Namek Saga Vegeta for going rambo on Freiza's army. But Buu saga Vegeta is definitely next in line in terms of likability.
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I say no, it was actually the final push he needed. He was 85% there after the Cell Games, but hearing there was a chance to surpass Goku hit him with a bit of nostalgia of his old ways, causing his breakdown.
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I don't think so, it was more the final stage of his development. While he tried to live life normally after the Cell Saga, the chance of fighting Goku again just pushed him, especially since he only had one day. When all the Boo stuff came up he saw his once in a lifetime opportunity slipping away from him so he just cracked. He never truly got over his obsession with beating Goku, it's just that after Goku's death he had to forcefully drop it, while in Boo saga he dropped it on his own free will...kinda, it became more friendly at least.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Cell Arc Vegeta

"Screw all of you, I'm the strongest. Kakarot has constantly gotten the upperhand on me but this time I will remain superior! Oh wait I just let Cell become perfect and he killed my son, oh my s*** I actually love my family and son, I admit Kakarot is better than me I'll help out Gohan, I'm a good guy now.

Boo Arc Vegeta.

"Screw you all, i'm the strongest. Kakarot has constantly gotten the upper hand on me but this time I will remain superior. Oh wait I just let Boo be released and he killed killed my family that I actually do love and I admit Kakarot is better let me go help Kakarot out, I'm a good guy now!




It's like they were two completely different people.
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Jul 23 2014, 03:09 AM
Cell Arc Vegeta

"Screw all of you, I'm the strongest. Kakarot has constantly gotten the upperhand on me but this time I will remain superior! Oh wait I just let Cell become perfect and he killed my son, oh my s*** I actually love my family and son, I admit Kakarot is better than me I'll help out Gohan, I'm a good guy now.

Boo Arc Vegeta.

"Screw you all, i'm the strongest. Kakarot has constantly gotten the upper hand on me but this time I will remain superior. Oh wait I just let Boo be released and he killed killed my family that I actually do love and I admit Kakarot is better let me go help Kakarot out, I'm a good guy now!




It's like they were two completely different people.
I think Vegeta was more in shock and possibly under depression than truly changed in the first example.
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Well unless something happened (other than his rage from Trunks dying) to Vegeta during the Android/Cell Arc, this is still the Saiyan who was content to let his wife and child die, and only cared about Mirai Trunks after spending a year with him in complete solitude.
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Jul 23 2014, 03:09 AM
Cell Arc Vegeta

"Screw all of you, I'm the strongest. Kakarot has constantly gotten the upperhand on me but this time I will remain superior! Oh wait I just let Cell become perfect and he killed my son, oh my s*** I actually love my family and son, I admit Kakarot is better than me I'll help out Gohan, I'm a good guy now.

Boo Arc Vegeta.

"Screw you all, i'm the strongest. Kakarot has constantly gotten the upper hand on me but this time I will remain superior. Oh wait I just let Boo be released and he killed killed my family that I actually do love and I admit Kakarot is better let me go help Kakarot out, I'm a good guy now!




It's like they were two completely different people.
Funny, but a lot of obvious detail is sacrificed to reach this comparison. Speaking of sacrifices, Vegeta's atonement was something that never would have happened in the Cell arc, not to mention so many others.



The biggest difference to me between Vegeta before and during the Boo arc is his ability to swallow his pride.

Throughout the whole Saiyan arc, Vegeta kept yelling he was a super saiyan. Throughout the whole Cell arc, he was yelling he was the best. Early on in the Boo arc, he realized this all was false and saw fit to play the role of the tactician/sidekick - this is what makes his stages a night and day difference.

People will say he was fine with being an aid (a la sidekick) to Gohan vs Cell, but his actions were not intended to aid Gohan, he wanted to take down Cell himself in his thoughtless rage. Vs Boo, he was 100% and intentionally Goku's sidekick as he let Goku fight Boo, only fought Boo to give Goku a break, and told Goku he was the best, and finally not finishing the villain off himself but left the humans off to do it because he thought they were stroger than he.




They truly are (metaphorically) two different people.
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Jul 23 2014, 03:09 AM
Cell Arc Vegeta

"Screw all of you, I'm the strongest. Kakarot has constantly gotten the upperhand on me but this time I will remain superior! Oh wait I just let Cell become perfect and he killed my son, oh my s*** I actually love my family and son, I admit Kakarot is better than me I'll help out Gohan, I'm a good guy now.

Boo Arc Vegeta.

"Screw you all, i'm the strongest. Kakarot has constantly gotten the upper hand on me but this time I will remain superior. Oh wait I just let Boo be released and he killed killed my family that I actually do love and I admit Kakarot is better let me go help Kakarot out, I'm a good guy now!




It's like they were two completely different people.
^ This.

I chuckle when people try to assert that Vegeta is the most developed character in Z.
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In simple points, Vegeta from the Cell Arc up until Majin Vegeta came around had grown up. He could finally choke back his ego and pride now. If Vegeta was still the same as he was at the end of the Cell games, why bother staying? Goku his only reason for fighting is dead now and he has no reason to think he'll be coming back. He could easy say "screw you all!" get on ship and leave Earth. But instead he stays, he lives at Capsule Corp, he trains with Trunks, he has shown a far more heroic and mature side than he ever did before.

And again that didn't stop Vegeta from being his typical arrogant badass self.

But no, Vegeta has this ego problem once Majin Vegeta comes along. Everything he did in the past, all that development got thrown out because poor Vegeta hasn't been able to Goku's d*** in 7 years. The entire thing was literally one huge, massive ego trip for Vegeta. And you know what else, Vegeta actually gets worse. By the end of the Cell Arc he's willing to admit his mistakes and changes for the good, arrogant but as I said mature.

By the end of the Boo Arc, he's telling the humans to fix his problems, saying they need to take responsibility. I'm sorry but a selfish little b***. Your character matures and grows up by the end of the Cell Arc...then you toss all of it away for the biggest ego trip imaginable, turning your character into another fool that has to create the problems. You try this force this development on him that he's had a change of heart despite the fact that this happened in the Cell Arc and then at the end instead ow admitting his own mistakes, he tells us to fix it.

I'm sorry its one huge repeat...except where the Cell Arc went into the right direction, Prince of Egos in the Boo Arc goes straight back to square one. An egotistical douche who couldn't learn from his own mistakes and had to had the truth smacked into his face. There is no way I can ever like this character. It's bad writing on AT's part, it makes Vegeta look like a complete idiot that is more concerned with satiating his ego.

It would've worked out so much better if Vegeta literally was taken under control by Babidi and literally had to fight between his desires to actually accept his family and changes on Earth and his desires to be what he was before. It would've been a good way to visit Vegeta's psyche as a person who both wants to change and wants to be as he was before. It would've been an interesting take as Vegeta fights his past as Babidi brings out that long hidden innate evil. It would've been unique to have Vegeta be actually manipulated and controlled and as it goes on, he slowly but surely realizes that he did care and finally breaks free of Babidi's control.

Hell, the whole line of "A Saiyan always keeps his pride..." would be awesome there. His pride not only in him self and his power, but his pride his own son and family breaks free of Babidi control and likewise breaks free of the evil that has been keeping him down.
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So you're pretty much saying goku coming back to life screwed vegeta up again?
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Jul 23 2014, 03:44 PM
So you're pretty much saying goku coming back to life screwed vegeta up again?
Yup, I say so as Vegeta didn't expect such to happen.
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Well Vegeta went from not caring if his wife and child died to giving his son a hug. I'd say that's progress over 7 years.
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I think it was the "only for one day" that really set him off though. If Goku had come back to life permanently like at the end of the Boo saga, Vegeta would have been able to hold on until the whole Babidi thing was over, which would have also prevented Boo's release.
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Amazing I didn't think of that.
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