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Piccolo, Tien, and Goku (23rd) vs Aizen, Gin, and Ichigo (FKT) vs Madara, Obito, and Sasuke (TTR)
Topic Started: Jul 22 2014, 09:54 PM (2,494 Views)
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Piccolo (not-weighted) teams up with Goku (not-weighted and can fly) and Tien, their all at 100%.

Aizen (Monster) teams up with Gin and Ichigo (post Dangai), their at 100%

Madara (Mangekyo) teams up with Obito (Sharingan/Rinnegan) and Sasuke (Eternal Mangekyo), their at 100%

Deserted Field 100 yards away from another.

Who wins?
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Aizens team should win I think,

Kurohitsuji would crush anyone but Obito(absorption) under it's gravity and we've established many times DB characters don't have the physical strength to break out.

Plus Aizen's instant regen, multitude of attacks and pretty much mountain busting swings as well as Ichigo's definite mountain busting swings and the strength to literally slap his way out of Kurohitsuji like it's nothing, not to mention his speed.


Naruto's team is pretty fail other than Obito, give Madara his Rinnegan and we'll talk.
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Are we talking peak Aizen though? We definitely aren't talking about peak Ichigo, since it say FKT. I'd swing it back into an even battle field if it was peak Ichigo. Aizen didn't have the same strength level as peak Ichigo either, he was completely outclassed in every department in that battle.

Madara has instant regen too, so that advantage would really be neutralized.

Madara's team has the largest speed advantage too. Susanoo arrows would definitely do major damage against Gin, and almost definitely take out this Ichigo.

Saskue (speed, abilities) > (FKT) Ichigo
Obito (ability neutralizes Gin's main advantage) > Gin
Madara (speed, strength, actual mountain busting, and mainly genjutsu) ~ Aizen

Obito also has both eyes now, so he should be to Kakashi style warp people's bodies away.

If we have Obito taking out at least one of the three from DB team, Madara should be able to genjutsu one the others. That leaves Saskue to take one, which he'd likely lose due to trying to tank an attack from the other three.

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I don't remember anything suggesting he lost the hypnotizing ability. Seems like he didn't use it against ichigo because of plot

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Jul 23 2014, 08:09 PM
Are we talking peak Aizen though? We definitely aren't talking about peak Ichigo, since it say FKT. I'd swing it back into an even battle field if it was peak Ichigo. Aizen didn't have the same strength level as peak Ichigo either, he was completely outclassed in every department in that battle.

Madara has instant regen too, so that advantage would really be neutralized.

Madara's team has the largest speed advantage too. Susanoo arrows would definitely do major damage against Gin, and almost definitely take out this Ichigo.

Saskue (speed, abilities) > (FKT) Ichigo
Obito (ability neutralizes Gin's main advantage) > Gin
Madara (speed, strength, actual mountain busting, and mainly genjutsu) ~ Aizen

Obito also has both eyes now, so he should be to Kakashi style warp people's bodies away.

If we have Obito taking out at least one of the three from DB team, Madara should be able to genjutsu one the others. That leaves Saskue to take one, which he'd likely lose due to trying to tank an attack from the other three.
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Aizen (Monster) teams up with Gin and Ichigo (post Dangai), their at 100%


For FKT their 100%'s are the best we've seen of them really except maybe Ichigo now, his speed at least over distance seems to have improved anyway.


Madara shouldn't have regen it just says Madara anyway not edo.

Hard to say about the speed thing really Flash Step has never really had any sort of speed measurement.


Sasuke's abilities are greater but I doubt his speed is, current Sasuke maybe.
Pretty given Obito is the best there.
Would Genjutsu work all that well on Aizen? He's smart enough to negate abilities and work through things like Shinji's Shikai. Without the Kyuubi or edo hard to say how great Madara would be in this battle.

It's not current Obito though.
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Ok looks like I didn't read the thread properly. Yeah I'm gonna even it out a bit more, this could really go either way. Don't count out DB. Even if they aren't quite as fast they still have very high durability and busting strength.

One of the three has more busting strength than all the others combined.

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Aizen lost his power because Ichigo was transcended of him. Other then that he was never stated to use his power.
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Jul 23 2014, 08:46 PM
Aizen lost his power because Ichigo was transcended of him. Other then that he was never stated to use his power.
So if someone is stronger than aizen, kyoka suigetsu doesn't work them?
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Aizen should be protected by most blasts with Danku, as well as protected from Amaterasu and possibly Susano'o Arrow(it might need full enchant there)

Doesn't protect him from explosions but beams should just bounce off and it should stop enough of the explosion for his regen to handle the rest.

Even though Ichigo had transcended him he still wasn't killed by his ultimate technique, his regen and overall abilities are hax, just not as hax as Urahara's plot device hax.


I don't think DB would do all that well here, Kido is just cruel compared to their extremely basic(though powerful) attacks, there are many binding Kido's that would stop them in their tracks. Like the one Byakuya always uses that stopped Rukia's body, they have no defence against things like that. Much like their lack of defence against Genjutsu.

Unless they levelled the whole place, which they wouldn't, DB should be a minor threat here.

They'd probably feel the most powerful too so they'd get ganged up on.


Team work is probably the biggest thing here, the only mark against Aizen, Madara and Obito is that they'd go solo as would Piccolo no doubt.


Hard to say about Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu abilities, he either couldn't or just didn't use them, He altered Juha's perception so his ability is still part of him.
It really seemed like he just never tried to use it or perhaps he couldn't seal and unseal it since it was part of his hand, who knows.

He shouldn't really need it though if he had it there's no way he doesn't win.


Gin is pretty useless here, Tosen might be a better choice or Komamura.
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Amaterasu would definitely go through Danku, it isn't some project based attack. Susanoo arrows should be too fast to be blocked too, considering Kakashi was too slow for them.

Aizen's regen is pretty hax yeah, likely few leagues above Hashirama's. They'd have to seal him ultimately, but if DB was involved they'd actually have enough fire power to take him out. Obito could take him to another dimension and he wouldn't even know what's happening. Aizen vs Obito would have to hand to hand too, which puts him at a serious advantage. Madara wouldn't beat him outright but considering how he kicked around the railed beasts with his shadow he should have enough physical strength to at least shake up Aizen to be transported to another dimension.

Gin would be very relevant in this battle. He's one of the fastest and his poison dust could seriously take out anyone if they were off guard.

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DB characters probably win unless Aizen spikes their pre-fight drinks since he knew they were coming.
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Jul 23 2014, 09:24 PM
Amaterasu would definitely go through Danku, it isn't some project based attack. Susanoo arrows should be too fast to be blocked too, considering Kakashi was too slow for them.

Aizen's regen is pretty hax yeah, likely few leagues above Hashirama's. They'd have to seal him ultimately, but if DB was involved they'd actually have enough fire power to take him out. Obito could take him to another dimension and he wouldn't even know what's happening. Aizen vs Obito would have to hand to hand too, which puts him at a serious advantage. Madara wouldn't beat him outright but considering how he kicked around the railed beasts with his shadow he should have enough physical strength to at least shake up Aizen to be transported to another dimension.

Gin would be very relevant in this battle. He's one of the fastest and his poison dust could seriously take out anyone if they were off guard.
It clearly is since it can be dodged, it's just fast.

It travels from A to B so it hits anything that gets in the way, if the flames just appeared on what was looked at Sasuke couldn't have ran away from Itachi's(who eventually did get him so not like he wasn't trying) and Sasuke himself was locked on to Raikage, who dodged.

So it is a projectile type attack just invisible until it lands somewhere.

Shinigami are no stranger to dimensional travel, I forgot how they open the portal but it's a pretty basic thing in their world I doubt Aizen can't. So he could go to that weird dimension Ichigo trained in and back to presumably the real world this takes place in.

Madara wasn't having mountains explode with his punches though, it was of course mostly Ichigo doing the mountain busting but that Aizen could resist the blows shows he's not far off, they should be at best equal there. His durability is nothing to laugh at though, then nor is Aizens, Yoruichi barely done anything to him with those boots and gauntlets and that was two forms priot(or was it two million?)

Also isn't Aizen like casual mountain buster or near enough in his monster/final stage? Those skull things fire pretty powerful blasts anyway and it never seemed to drain him much if at all so he could spam that, only one in the Naruto crew surviving is Obito due to Rinnegan and Kamui. One blast wouldn't kill DB characters but they'd be whittled down eventually.

Gin could only really take out Obito and Sasuke with that though Sage Mode Madara tanks the blade asy and DB characters probably do too.
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I fail to see how DB are only relevant through durability and busting. You guys foget that they fight faster than what the other verses shown. Even if I say Sasuke can fire off a Susanoo Arrow faster than what the other two teams, Goku, Piccolo, Tien, and Ichigo have proven they could easily use after image.

DB have better hand to hand technique over the others, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Madara, and Obito.
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Saying that it travels while invisible is conjecture. All we see are the flames appearing on the target. The Raikage was able to dodge because he was faster than Sasuke. Amaterasu still takes time, you have to focus on your target and summon the flames. All that shows is that the Raikage can move and react faster than Sasuke can do that
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Jul 23 2014, 07:22 PM
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Goku and co obviously have a massive power advantage. After that, the Bleach team comes. The Naruto team is the weakest to be honest.

Why would I put the Bleach team above the Naruto team? Simple. The only one who's relevant is Madara, but he's not strong enough to combat Aizen or Ichigo. Ichigo can vaporize entire mountains with just flicking his sword, without the need to touch them, while Madara needs physical contact to even cut them. Aizen can parry said slashes without effort. Obito and Sasuke are irrelevant. Aizen takes care of them, while Ichigo deals with Madara. Gin just sits there.

Goku and co won't do anything. Ichigo would realize that they're so strong, and wouldn't fight them. He's not an idiot. Gin might try something or two, but it would fail.

And to Itachi, Gin stated that his Bankai can move at 500 times the speed of sound, but then he says that his ability is something else. I think he said he was lying or something.
The Bleach team lacks in the speed department, although they are faster then the DB team. FKT Ichigo is a weakling. He can't mountain bust yet.

Gin's Bankai is the fastest in Bleach, and IIRC only through using calcs is he 500 times faster than sound. That's still not fast enough to beat Saskue's Susanoo arrows which Kakashi said he couldn't dodge. Going by that Sasuke's arrows are simply too fast for the entire team.

Madara's shadow was able to casually kick around beasts as large as a mountain. He has more than enough strength to easily take out Aizen who ends up being the only serious threat from the Bleach team. That's why they're the weakest team here. If he needs to catch Aizen off gaurd he always has his genjutsu which he's used in battle scenarios.

DB's team main advantage would be durability. They don't really have much speed compared to these two (without fan scaling and/or assumptions). They could win, but they'd have to get a ki blast in. It'd be a showdown between Madara's team and Goku's team, mainly depending on who would outsmart the other. I'd give the advantage to Madara's team mainly due to genjutsu.
No, Bleach doesn't lack in the speed department. They're faster than the Naruto team, but slower than the DB team.

No, Ichigo was aim dodging it.

Sasuke's arrows aren't that fast.

I wouldn't say as large as mountains, as their explosions are mountain level, yet larger than them. And that was his shadow. I doubt he could accomplish the same feat himself.

We have a lot of speed feats. 22TB Goku dodging Taiyoken, RRA Goku dodging laser beams, Popo moving at speeds exceeding the speed of lightning, and we have a statement that Kami is way stronger than Popo. Kami with his godly eyes wasn't capable of keeping up with Goku and Piccolo, even when they were tired, and at last, but not least, Goku dodging Piccolo's blast which crossed the island.

We have a statement coming from Black Zetsu, a creature which lived since the time of Kaguya, that lightning cannot be dodged in Naruto.

Team DB has a massive physical strength, durability, destructive capacity, and speed advantage. With Piccolo's intent to kill from the beginning of the fight, as well as Tien's brutality, they would win.
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Amaterasu would definitely go through Danku, it isn't some project based attack. Susanoo arrows should be too fast to be blocked too, considering Kakashi was too slow for them.

Aizen's regen is pretty hax yeah, likely few leagues above Hashirama's. They'd have to seal him ultimately, but if DB was involved they'd actually have enough fire power to take him out. Obito could take him to another dimension and he wouldn't even know what's happening. Aizen vs Obito would have to hand to hand too, which puts him at a serious advantage. Madara wouldn't beat him outright but considering how he kicked around the railed beasts with his shadow he should have enough physical strength to at least shake up Aizen to be transported to another dimension.

Gin would be very relevant in this battle. He's one of the fastest and his poison dust could seriously take out anyone if they were off guard.
It clearly is since it can be dodged, it's just fast.

It travels from A to B so it hits anything that gets in the way, if the flames just appeared on what was looked at Sasuke couldn't have ran away from Itachi's(who eventually did get him so not like he wasn't trying) and Sasuke himself was locked on to Raikage, who dodged.

So it is a projectile type attack just invisible until it lands somewhere.

Shinigami are no stranger to dimensional travel, I forgot how they open the portal but it's a pretty basic thing in their world I doubt Aizen can't. So he could go to that weird dimension Ichigo trained in and back to presumably the real world this takes place in.

Madara wasn't having mountains explode with his punches though, it was of course mostly Ichigo doing the mountain busting but that Aizen could resist the blows shows he's not far off, they should be at best equal there. His durability is nothing to laugh at though, then nor is Aizens, Yoruichi barely done anything to him with those boots and gauntlets and that was two forms priot(or was it two million?)

Also isn't Aizen like casual mountain buster or near enough in his monster/final stage? Those skull things fire pretty powerful blasts anyway and it never seemed to drain him much if at all so he could spam that, only one in the Naruto crew surviving is Obito due to Rinnegan and Kamui. One blast wouldn't kill DB characters but they'd be whittled down eventually.

Gin could only really take out Obito and Sasuke with that though Sage Mode Madara tanks the blade asy and DB characters probably do too.
The way you're saying it won't work still for Ametarasu. Even if it was invisible they wouldn't know it was coming. And when they find out, it' be too late to bring up a frontal barrier since it'd be way past that. Raikage could dodge since he's much faster than Kakashi.y

The only one who can open a portal was the scientist captains of the Goeti 13, and even he had issues bringing more than X amount of people.

@Saqer none of those are real feats, just over glossing/analysis with exaggerations.

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