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Theories on Cooler's Power
Topic Started: Jul 22 2014, 07:05 PM (691 Views)
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I've been thinking about Cooler's power and there are lots of possibilities and theories, people have on his power. So I thought, I'd write all the possibilities on his power (that I can think of right now) out in my mind.

I have to start of by first making something clear or else I'll be just repeating myself. It's kind of common-sense already but I'll say it anyways Cooler will have to fit in somewhere between KK x20 and Super-Saiyan Goku (50x). Important thing is to have Cooler much stronger than KK x20 and have Super-Saiyan Goku a lot better than Cooler, himself. If we go by numbers, it could look like this:

Goku: 1
Kaio-Ken x10: 10
Kaio-Ken x20: 20
Super-Saiyan : 50

Cooler (5th-Form): 30 - 40

I will also have to say that for most of this, I won't really go with a KKx20 and KHH stack, so for anyone that wonders this will just be Kaio-Ken x20 Goku's normal power. However I did give you an example, kind of in the first scenario.

Theory/Possibility 1:

First of some people just go by whatever Goku they think is most likely to be in the movie due to the Time-Placement of the movie and that happens to be a post-Yadrat Goku (which makes sense because was said to be stronger at the beginning of the Movie than he was on Namek), so Cooler's power would depend on however strong you think post-Yadrat Goku is. I think he could be anywhere from 4,000,000 - 6,000,000 (as long as he is noticeably stronger than his Namek-self, even though I don't do numbers but anyways). For argument's sake let's just say Goku was 4,500,000 when he returned from Namek. Cooler in the Movie after transforming into his 5th-Form was able to completely fly unharmed through a KHH from a, most likely Kaio-Ken x20 Goku. A KK x20 from Goku in this case would have him at 90,000,000, if you stack the KHH on top-of the KK than it could be even higher (like maybe 135,000,000 with a 1.5 amp or 180,000,000 with a 2x amp). So in this scenario Cooler could end up, in my opinion, anywhere from 135,000,000 - 180,000,000 (without the KK and KHH stack, btw, with it he could end up even a lot stronger).

Theory/Possibility 2:

Other people may think that Goku got a Zenkai in the Movie after getting beam-shotted (is that even a word :rofl: ) by Cooler. Understandable considering the Movie seems to mimic the Namek Saga in both its story and action sequences. Now there are 2 options you can take here, you can either have Goku start-off the movie with an unknown power-level or you can go by the normal time-placement, which seems popular. I won't really go into the 1st option since it's kind of ambiguous and I'd have to make a few assumptions, which I don't like doing now.

Going by the latter, I'd think something like this would maybe make sense: post-Zenkai Goku (Movie 5) > Goku (Beginning of Movie 5) > post-Yadrat Goku. The reason I think this is because, Master Roshi at the beginning of the Movie said Goku has gotten much better since he returned from Namek. Master Roshi wouldn't know how strong Goku was on Namek since he wasn't on Namek at that time or ever, so he'd only be able to compare Goku from his return, which would be post-Yadrat Goku to Goku from the beginning of the Movie. I wouldn't really be able to give any solid numbers here because Goku could be anywhere as long as he is stronger than post-Yadrat Goku. So I'll just give you a range here for where I could see Goku: 5,000,000 - 7,500,000. For scenario let's just say 6,500,000 (again I know this is a guess but just an example) since it's somewhere in the middle of that range. With a KK x20, that'd make Goku about 130,000,000. With the above template/lay-out, Cooler could end up anywhere from 195,000,000 - 260,000,000.

Theory/Possibility 3:

And then there is the infamous Cooler hax. Cooler after fighting Goku for a bit, said that Goku did "as well as expected" (or something like that) and said that Goku was enough to have defeated Freeza. I used to think it was improbable and bonkers to think so, but when I was thinking more about it and analysing it, it's not quite as crazy as I thought. It's quite obvious, like I said before, that the movie is following and mimicking the Namek Saga. If you remember back to the Namek Saga, just before Goku fought Freeza he received a massive Zenkai, that if you go by the Official numbers would be about a 33x power-up, from 90,000 to 3,000,000.

If we go by the idea that Movie 5 Goku is post-Yadrat Goku (or stronger) at the beginning of the movie, then the idea is not quite as improbable as people might think. Like I did for the first scenario/theory let's just say Goku, after returning from Namek is 4,500,000. Now if you give Goku a similar Zenkai to the one he got on Namek, the statement that Cooler made about Goku would work perfectly with what we have here and since this movie has a loads of similarities to the Namek Saga, I think it's even more probable. Just multiply Goku's 4,500,000 by 30x (it was a 33x Zenkai on Namek) and VOILA there you have it: 135,000,000. This works perfectly with what Cooler said, even if you do not follow the DaizenShuu's number for Freeza this could work (as Goku might just be a little bit weaker than Freeza, if you think he is 140,000,000 but could still beat him because of his skill). With Goku's KKx20 being about 2,700,000,000, Cooler could be about 4,050,000,000 - 5,400,000,000. That's insanely strong.

Other Theories/Possibilities:

Then there are also other theories (and even the DaizenShuu confirms this) like the movie happening somewhere in the training for the Androids, for which anyone of these options that I have presented, I think could work, as all that's required is for Goku to be stronger than his post-Yadrat self. Or a theory where it just happens in alternate time-line which is too vague for me to write about here.

Kaio-Kenx20 KHH:

Now for the last section, I want to talk about the KHH, Goku used against Cooler. After Goku uses a KKx20 KHH against Cooler, Goku looks very surprised that Cooler just flew right through it despite already knowing that he is stronger than Freeza.

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For most people this just probably means a way to show how strong Cooler is and to show how hopeless the situation is, but I want to try and make it work here and it doesn't seem that hard to make it work. Basically Goku expected the KHH to kill or seriously injure someone stronger than Freeza or at-least someone on Freeza's level for Cooler to fly through it, it has to mean that Cooler is a lot stronger than Freeza. Goku's power would have to be, in my opinion, somewhere around 5,000,000 - 7,000,000 (KKx20 = 100,000,000 - 140,000,000) (so around double his Namek power) for this to work. Anyone of the above 3 options on Cooler's power could be used here, I think. This would be even easier to do if you amp the KHH alongside the Kaio-Ken, like I did in the first possibility (maybe you can just decrease the amp for KHH instead of making it completely disapear).

Also I'd like to thank some guys: SuperSaiyan2, Kamikaze Pyro, Brofist & RandomGuy96 (not on is forum) for having (mostly indirectly, besides SuperSaiyan2) helped me for this thing. So most of the credit for this probably goes to them.

What do you guys think?
Edited by StrawHatCrew, Jul 22 2014, 07:22 PM.
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base Goku [post zenkai] is around Super Saiyan Namek Goku's power and true form Coola is around 100% true form Freeza level.

That simple.
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Still sounds low. Goku doesn't really start heating things up into then deca-kaiokens until Cooler transforms into his Final Form. Where he literally sails through it. I was willing to use the Weekly Shonen/V-Jump numbers, and for the 470milli they gave to a max powered cooler, Goku would have to be 10 million in base. It also matches the statement of "I see how you could have killed my brother." That cooler made after he sliced the Kamehameha in half. Meaning Goku was superior to Frieza's 100% full force. I remember Frieza was somewhere around 120 million. Meaning at a minimum Goku's Kaioken times twenty put him circa 150 million if not 200 million or so. And cooler being twice as strong probably punched through without blinking. So I'd put Cooler's scouter level around 400 - 470 million. In Android 17 and/or 18 territory.
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I think the numbers are too high if you have base Goku above 100% Freeza in this film. I think he's 75% at most. He only just had the upper hand against Cooler who looked as though he might have been using 50% or a bit more. But Goku was above him enough for Cooler to believe that even if he used 100% then it wouldn't be enough to beat him.

Base Goku 80 million.

Cooler fourth form 50%? 70 million.

Goku Kaiokenx20 1.6 billion

Cooler fifth form 1.84 billion?

SSJ Goku 2 billion?

I was trying to add 15% on but I suck at mathematics so those numbers might be wrong. 15 because if I recall that was the percentage worked out to be able to tank blasts. But maybe it was 10. I forget.




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If he's enough to beat Freeza it's hard to see him not being in the 150,000,000 ~ SSJ Namek Goku range.
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Frieza and Cooler are brother so there is no reason to believe their 4th forms would be vastly different. Based on when Movie 5 comes out Goku is either his Frieza arc self or post Yardrat Goku.

We know Cooler doesn't play and taunt like Frieza did, we know Cooler is trying to figure out how Goku beat Frieza and we know in the same form Cooler is weaker.

In their initial struggle Goku is simply the aggressor he is not dominating Cooler at all. Cooler then goes on about how he was going to kill Frieza himself and how he could transform one step higher into the 5th form.

Cooler is not trying to take any chance with Goku as well as show off he is superior to Frieza Cooler winning without 5th form doesn't matter because to Cooler he is trying to make a point and he is not taking a chance with Goku.

Goku's power also doesn't have to be on 100% Frieza level because to Cooler he is trying to figure out how Frieza got beat. Only after they fight does Cooler say he sees why Frieza had trouble with Goku.

Now knowing Cooler doesn't play around but Frieza does Goku could have easily overpowered a suppressed Frieza before Frieza had enough time to power up. Finally when Goku does go SSJ then Cooler sees why Frieza lost and before some asks yes Cooler can sense energy as he was able to use Instant Transmission in M6.

That's my views on it,. Having Cooler suppressed like Frieza was suppressed makes a lot more sense then Goku was haxxed.
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