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The Original Super Saiyan Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 22 2014, 01:20 AM (348 Views)
Rogafufuken
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I will be going over The Original Super Saiyan's (or TOSS, as I will be commonly referring them to) power,appearance/form and why, and why they transformed. As The Original Super Saiyan is an anime only character, I will be using the anime, (including GT) in the discussion.

Appearance/Form
Before anything else, I think it is important to evaluate TOSS's appearance. As many people have noted, it looks similar to the Golden Oozaru transformation from GT. This is even mentioned in GT's Perfect Files:
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Incidentally, the Super Saiyan legend has a passage saying that they “love destruction and slaughter”, but in actuality everyone retains their reason. However, if you’ll remember, there was a form where even Goku became extremely violent!! That’s right, when he transformed into a Golden Oozaru!! Surely this brutality, destructive power, and large scale are a sign of the legend that tells that they will “love destruction and slaughter”!! One can think of the Golden Oozaru form (which includes Oozaru Baby too!!) as perhaps fit to be called the true Super Saiyan!!
It's implying that TOSS could have very well been a Golden Oozaru.

However, even so, looking at it from an out of universe perspective, TOSS most likely not a Golden Oozaru, since the idea of Golden Oozaru's had not been introduced yet, and when making the filler, Toei didn't have the actual SSJ form to base TOSS off of, so they made a guess that it would be some type of Oozaru. So, though some might disagree with me (and feel free to give your opinion), TOSS was just a Super Saiyan. There is even a possible of an in-universe perspective, as the Saiyan could have transformed into a Super Saiyan while being an Oozaru.

Power
So, now with what exactly TOSS is out of the way, it will be easy to find out what tier they are in compared to other characters. Also, it allows us to possibly find out a power level, though that will be more difficult.

Now, TOSS was said to have destroyed the planet they were on. This immediately puts them anywhere from Saiyan Arc Vegeta's level to 1st Form Freeza's level most likely.

A power level for TOSS, as I mentioned, is more difficult to find out. I personally will be using the SEG multipliers for TOSS.

Now, as a Saiyan from long before the Freeza Arc, with it's death at 238 Before Age by some sources, it provably wasn't as strong at base. I would say anywhere between 500-2,000 in power level. As a rough median I will put it at 1,250 in power level. Now, if it really was an Oozaru when it became a Super Saiyan, I don't really think the multipliers would stack (partially for simplicity's sake). So, that would put it at a power level of 62,500, which works with the tiers that it would fit in as mentioned above.

However, as most people would tell you, power levels are nice, though not the most reliable considering the many variables while calculating them.

Though to narrow it down, I would put him in in a tier with Jeice, Recoome, and Burter, safe to say.

Reason
While this part isn't really important, I think that it would be interesting to discuss why the Saiyan transformed, since all Saiyans transformed into Super Saiyan for a reason.

Honestly, I think that the reason that said saiyan became TOSS was probably because of a dispute with some other Saiyan. Probably for food, or land, or most likely because of an argument about who was the most powerful. A fight breaks out, (probably during a full moon), and it escalates enough until the Saiyan become a Super Saiyan, kills his opponents, goes on a rampage, and then destroys the planet that that they were on.

That's my opinion on why.

So that's it.

Discuss.
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Okay, my first impressions:

1. I like to think that TOSS was a Golden Oozaru and that the idea of Golden Oozaru was born later because of that guess Toei made.

2. Before I came to this forum I didn't think anyone except the Saiyans in universe cared about putting numbers to people to state how strong they are. I always just made a mental list generally going from strongest to weakest. So thank you for giving me characters to think of him being on level with, that helped me a lot in understanding your viewpoint. I would have thought he'd be stronger, but you have a good point with the whole "it was a really long time ago" thing.

3. Why? Yeah, food and property and power were all important to Saiyans but I'm also stuck thinking there has to be some serious emotional turmoil involved so I'd rather say it would be a fight over either the love of a woman or the death of a comrade.

Of course those are just my opinions.
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I actually like the Fan theory that the Original SSJ was Goku and Vegeta as one person in the past and when they were reborn they were reborn as two people which is why those two and their sons can be SSJ as well.
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TOSS could have been humanoid. How did he travel around and make the universe tremble and quiver in fear?
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Professor Gohan
Jul 22 2014, 11:01 AM
TOSS could have been humanoid. How did he travel around and make the universe tremble and quiver in fear?
How would he have been humanoid though?
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