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Strongest amplified attack?
Topic Started: Jul 22 2014, 12:52 AM (1,363 Views)
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That's all I wanted. A reason why :)

I won't disagree entirely with you, but let me counter anyway:

Even if it isn't established until later that Cell can regenerate, Piccolo should know. A Makankosappo would do nothing since it doesn't cover enough room to effectively take care of Cell. The Light Grenade has a much bigger radius, making it perfect for completely destroying a target. I say Makankosappo has a bigger amp, but that it was pretty much useless in that particular situation.
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Jul 22 2014, 01:35 AM
If we're including non-canon, maybe the Dragon Fist.
Oh slag! I forgot about that! I kinda think that one seems to work on the same sort of courage and tenacity magic piercing principle that TribeM does, but Goku did combine with with a Ten Times Kamehameha before. So 8'll let that one go
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Now that's rock solid countering Emmeth. I'm proud of you. That's how you debate. I've never heard that counter. First time. That's a big notch on your belt brah.

Although... It can be countered that since Cell didn't know Piccolo couldn't regenerate, he most likely thought Cell couldn't regenerate either. But it's still a solid point regardless. Even if it's a maybe in Piccolo's mind, it's enough to turn the tide.
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I declare Gekiretsu Kodan >= Makankosappo.
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The major point is that it's a real possibility. People hate bloat though. But when you think of it, if there were no numbers given for the Raditz Saga, Raditz doesn't really do much against Goku and Piccolo that's all that much more impressive than what Cell did to 17 and Piccolo.

There could easily be a 3x gap there considering how Raditz vs Goku / Piccolo looked.
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I'm with the assumption that if Piccolo had 5 minutes to charge a special beam cannon, it would be deadlier (potentially) than Light Grenade. However, the Light Grenade can obliterate Cell and make sure he doesn't regenerate.
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Personally I have Light Grenade ~ SBC though one could have one attack stronger than the other.
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Which then comes down to Piccolo considering Kamehameha from back then pathetic. Does Special Beam Cannon make Kamehameha look pathetic? I don't know the answer to that. All I know is that Kamehameha is pathetic.

So

Light Grenade >>> Kamehameha = 2.22x

Considering that, Light Grenade is going to at least end up near Special Beam Cannon anyway, might as well make it stronger.

Or you could consider Light Grenade a faster charging Special Beam Cannon, that sounds pretty neat-o.
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Jul 22 2014, 01:42 AM
Now that's rock solid countering Emmeth. I'm proud of you. That's how you debate. I've never heard that counter. First time. That's a big notch on your belt brah.

Although... It can be countered that since Cell didn't know Piccolo couldn't regenerate, he most likely thought Cell couldn't regenerate either. But it's still a solid point regardless. Even if it's a maybe in Piccolo's mind, it's enough to turn the tide.
Thank you, good sir.

Well, maybe. Although, Cell described for Piccolo perfectly well how he knows their attacks. Piccolo knows his techniques better than any and with how smart he is, he should figure out that Cell knows the regeneration portion too. In fact, Cell should know perfectly well since he showed no sign of obliviousness after 16 tore off his tail. I might be forgetting, but was Cell in the need of regeneration before this?

Anyway, I still say Piccolo is smart enough and should take this into consideration.

For the record, I see no reason dividing them too much anyway.
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I guess, but the Kamehameha wave is still functionally the most accessible attack in the series and the most used as a result. Granted that doesn't nessicarily mean it has a high amp, it just means it's an effective attack (And we're not arguing attack effectiveness so I'm almost wasting a post) but because it was used and modified so much in the series, doesn't it have other possibilities to it? The Super Kamehameha is A 3 times amp. The original ten times Kamehameha took two balls LIKE when Goku used the Super KHH and apparently did something to them to make it "times ten." So is it charging power by ten times or is it changing the amp? Because logically that would be 10(3 + 3) for a 60 times amp on top of the already uber powered Super Saiyan Four Transformation. Even doubling that power seems a little over the top does it not?
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Even if he isn't sure, I'm sure Piccolo would opt with the safer option. Which would be a blast that totally encompasses Cell. There would be too much of a risk not to.

But as you can see, my other point pretty much puts this issue to bed...

Piccolo considers Kamehameha pathetic, thus, the Light Grenade is much stronger. Light Grenade is at least getting around Special Beam Cannon based on that quote alone.
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To address this in a different way...

I feel that Makankosappo gets too little love. After the Raditz fight it was pretty much forgotten, but for one instance. I like the technique personally as it has a unique flair to it.
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Makankosappo was ruined with the anime.
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He did use it against Nappa. Just without charging it up forever.
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Jul 22 2014, 02:06 AM
He did use it against Nappa. Just without charging it up forever.
Hmm, was that anime only? I can't remember reading it.

Anyway, Cell used it against Piccolo and SSJ2 Gohan in the anime too. And Gohan used it in a vision fight vs Krillin on their way to Namek. That's it, I think.
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