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Strongest amplified attack?
Topic Started: Jul 22 2014, 12:52 AM (1,360 Views)
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What was the strongest amplified attack that we saw during db/dbz/GT? I think tri Beam was definetely on top. Tien who was weaker then Base Goku was holding Semi Perfect Cell off with it, while the gap difference between these two is like 100?
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Yes, that was the highest amplified attack ever shown at this point. He might have even surpassed that in the Buu Saga.
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I'd like to vote in the Ten Times Kamehameha wave as a close second, presuming it actually multiplies the user's power by ten anyway.
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How can that compare to a multiplier in the 100s or 1000s of times? An why you non canon. Way to mess it up for everyone.
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The Shin Kikoho, definitely. No matter how strong you have Tenshinhan, the gap between him and Semi-Perfect Cell was monstrous. Aside from that, I'd say

Final Flash > Makankosappo > Super Kamehameha (Android/Cell/Boo) > Gekkiretsu Kodan > Super Kamehameha (Saiyan Arc) > Galick Gun

Edit - P, the OP mentions GT.
Edited by Yu Narukami, Jul 22 2014, 01:09 AM.
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I'd put the Light Grenade > Special Beam Cannon personally.

Ah I see my mistake then.
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I'd argue Kikoho doesn't have to be a multiplier since it could just be a genki attack.

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TheACE
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Oh yeah, Neo Tribeam uses and converts life energy too doesn't it? That and I've never seen Vegeta do a damn thing with that final flash that implicated his multiplier with it was more than 50%
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p123
Jul 22 2014, 01:09 AM
I'd put the Light Grenade > Special Beam Cannon personally.

Ah I see my mistake then.
Fair enough.

I put it that low because I don't want to bloat powers too much. #17 hits the deck when Piccolo launches it, but the fact that Cell tanked it means that the gap must be massive. I think it's big enough without the attack having a huge amplification, but it doesn't really change too much, I guess. You could probably say that the amplifier is higher because Piccolo's weaker than normal due to losing stamina.
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Which is precisely why I simply throwaway Goku's KHH at 2.22x. This is one of the big reasons I just make up my own levels and don't even use the scouter levels.

I am attempting to make a amplification chart that actually makes sense throughout the series. It ain't easy, trying to make sense of how ki amplifications work is hard work.

But I do know that Piccolo considers Goku's Kamehameha pathetic from back then. Which suggests that all amplifications at this point are monstrous compared to then.

If needed, I'd go by addition or just say to hell with it all like I do. It's a major weak point in the story when looked at thoroughly.
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p123
Jul 22 2014, 01:09 AM
I'd put the Light Grenade > Special Beam Cannon personally.

Ah I see my mistake then.
Alude me to why, sir.
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Why not? It's been nearly 6 years since he came up with Special Beam Cannon. If he's going to sit there and charge up a really strong attack and Cell is walking really slow towards him, why wouldn't it be stronger?

Piccolo considered Goku's Kamehameha pathetic from that time, his attack wasn't all that much stronger.

I don't see any good reason for SBC > Light Grenade. I guess you could say charge up time, but Piccolo did have plenty of charge up time. And he charged that thing for a good while.
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p123
Jul 22 2014, 01:19 AM
Which is precisely why I simply throwaway Goku's KHH at 2.22x. This is one of the big reasons I just make up my own levels and don't even use the scouter levels.

I am attempting to make a amplification chart that actually makes sense throughout the series. It ain't easy, trying to make sense of how ki amplifications work is hard work.

But I do know that Piccolo considers Goku's Kamehameha pathetic from back then. Which suggests that all amplifications at this point are monstrous compared to then.

If needed, I'd go by addition or just say to hell with it all like I do. It's a major weak point in the story when looked at thoroughly.
I actually disagree with that one.

Goku and Piccolo's powers were about dead even then. And maxed Piccolo was rocking a 3.668 amp from his Special Beam cannon. More than Goku's Kamehameha wave yes, but again via scouter levels, Goku dropped as Super Kamehameha on Piccolo back in the day with a Super Kamehameha that amped him about three times his battle power. And that didn't take nearly as long to charge as the Special Beam. Therefore one can actually almost argue that the amp is based on time, and the only way to truly base it would be on an "instant cast" so to speak. Like if they just go "Kamehameha" or "Final Flash" and see what happens without the ten minute prep.

And two... Piccolo didn't like Goku then anyway, he was probably just talking himself up. It's in character for him at that point.

So, realistically you'd have to look at the tides and damage outputs of every fight afterwards to get a good feel of any amps. But if we're going by scouter levels, if anything, the power amplifications appear to DECREASE as the Z Fighters continue.
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If we're including non-canon, maybe the Dragon Fist.
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Piccolo said Kamehameha from back then was weak to hype himself up? Now that's conjecture.

Nothing suggests that Piccolo was lying when he said that.
Edited by p123, Jul 22 2014, 01:40 AM.
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