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Jul 24 2014, 12:07 AM Post #76 |
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Yea that's a major issue. So Kamehameha is a weaker amp than Wolf Fang Fist V2.0? If Goku is a 10, how strong is Dodonpa? It burns him and pushes him, but in the end does little else. Edited by p123, Jul 24 2014, 12:08 AM.
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2014, 12:30 AM Post #77 |
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How strong is Freeza's blast here? Spoiler: click to toggle
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Jul 24 2014, 12:40 AM Post #78 |
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I don't see why it wouldn't be the same as Dodonpa. Close enough right? |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2014, 12:45 AM Post #79 |
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I used to use that scan to say that blasts at equal levels = dangerous ![]() How strong is kid Trunks' blast in relation to 18? I used to argue that it's not too far above her because Trunks should be suppressing his blast to around that level, plus she's able to dodge it. |
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Jul 24 2014, 12:55 AM Post #80 |
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That's how I generally think. But Vic says that we should consider them like we do hand to hand fights. Maybe not to that degree, but we need to come up with some strategy where ki blasts hurt, don't hurt, maim and kill. First time we really see someone on equal levels get hurt is Krillen vs Chaozu, and that was a weakened Kamehameha. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2014, 12:56 AM Post #81 |
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I call blocking hax. Remember Piccolo taking Goku's Kame at the 23rd? |
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Jul 24 2014, 12:57 AM Post #82 |
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Yea ki blasts don't make any sense. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2014, 01:01 AM Post #83 |
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I remember Jack brought up this view in which a stronger/about equal fighter could block an opponent's blasts, even amplified (though probably with some damage with amplification). |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 24 2014, 01:02 AM Post #84 |
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Izanagi!
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To be fair, Goku prepared himself for Freeza's blast. What would you say about Goku's counter to Nappa's attack? It didn't seem like he charged it long enough to amp it at all, yet it completely cancelled out the other blast. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2014, 01:03 AM Post #85 |
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Piccolo spends maybe a page charging up his light grenade, which is supposed to be really strong. Don't think charge time has to mean much (though Goku's KHH against Nappa likely wasn't fully amped either way given the emphasis on how he countered so quickly I guess). |
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Jul 24 2014, 01:06 AM Post #86 |
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So defensive ki amplifcation should be a factor here then I would guess. Honestly, it doesn't seem like there will ever be a good way to figure all that out. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2014, 01:13 AM Post #87 |
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So we should probably really only fuss over the implied amplifications and the times in which someone just stands there and lets someone else blast him (like Cell/Piccolo). Quick question before moving on though...how would Goku's KKx20 KHH rank compared to 50% Freeza? Apparently having difficulty blocking = a blast that's a lot stronger than you, though Freeza does use one hand. |
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Jul 24 2014, 01:15 AM Post #88 |
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Well that's where it gets wacky. The blast that you showed a picture of with Base Goku getting thrown around is on par with Goku? A little stronger? Freeza is not pushed back, at all, and is handling it with one hand. But he ends up getting more damaged and there's a lot more fanfare. I'd think getting pushed back is a bigger deal than not getting pushed back? Ki blasts will always be a mysterious mistress. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2014, 01:20 AM Post #89 |
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Thought it'd be interesting to bring up as it'd affect 50% Freeza's placement, and by extension, the SSJ multiplier. |
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Jul 24 2014, 01:24 AM Post #90 |
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It does seem that Freeza altered his power as well considering that Goku knows he wasn't bluffing anymore after that. So there's always that. But still, to initialy catch it and not be pushed back, what does that say? We know 50% Freeza is most likely a good deal stronger than Goku, Goku lands one surprise hit and then all of a sudden Freeza is 50 feet up in the air way out of range. Things like that don't happen when you are close. |
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