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| + Emmeth | Jul 23 2014, 10:47 PM Post #61 |
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Anything beyond their short scuffle is conjecture, considering Krillin never got a chance to prove himself. He was just getting started. |
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| SSJ | Jul 23 2014, 10:49 PM Post #62 |
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I put the wrong symbol. I meant >~. Your numbers look fine, I was confused for some reason lol. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 23 2014, 11:01 PM Post #63 |
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Pretty sure Krillin did get serious when they charged at each other. Blue elbowed him there. |
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| SSJ | Jul 23 2014, 11:03 PM Post #64 |
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Krillin got serious near the end of the fight where he attacked with an after image. Then the battle concluded. Blue was still in control the whole time. Edited by SSJ, Jul 23 2014, 11:04 PM.
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| + Emmeth | Jul 23 2014, 11:04 PM Post #65 |
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Did anyone notice how weak Krillin was tactically early on? He continuously underestimated his opponents up until the 22nd Budokai. He was frantic and clueless to battle outside of his own power. Once he stepped it up a notch, he kicked Blue in the teeth. I should do a character breakdown of Krillin. Edited by Emmeth, Jul 23 2014, 11:04 PM.
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Jul 23 2014, 11:10 PM Post #66 |
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I think Blue vs Krillen was indicative of a 75% gap for sure. It reminds me of the first time Jackie uses the super speed punch against Krillen at the Budokai. Nearly identical imo... Kyouks, I've run into quite an issue. As you know, I've been trying to use the whole 1.1x amplification. Ran into a problem though. Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist. Now he has shown that it is Kaioken-esque in his ability to alter his speed and most likely his power. Now check this out. I think Yamcha vs Jackie looked like a 66% gap. Very similar to Goku vs Ginyu Force. Now when he uses the Wolf Fang Fist, it causes Jackie to have to actually work and then he starts doing that speed behind you thing that seems to be done at 75% a lot. So I have Yamcha going from 66-75 with Wolf Fang Fist. Jackie at 100 of course. I think this is real good actually, fits in line with Goku almost not being able to see him etc etc. Now, Yamcha introduces the Wolf Fang Fist 2.0 against Tien at the Budokai. This is clearly an improved amplfication here. So I had Yamcha going from 1.13x boost or so to around 1.2x for the new and improved Wolf Fang Fist. Now that Tien has not only matched this level, but exceeded it, Yamcha pulls out his final card. The Kamehameha. Now considering that this is Yamcha's trump card and considering that the Kamehameha should certainly be superior to some move like that, I have found no reason not to make this a legit move. I got Kamehameha at 1.5x now, which seems to fit in line with how highly regarded it is. It's a dangerous attack that is meant to severely injure or kill. This 1.1x business has kind of forced me to distort that. I think with the original Kamehameha being 1.5x making it progress to 2.22x actually is quite realistic. So one of my major reasons for doing this list was to fix amplification issues, but funny enough, it seems like it is heading that way anyway. Also with the boost as large as this, I have an option to make Roshi going Buff a 6x boost much like I see SsjG3 being. I also considered that the Kamehameha in this form may be an even stronger amplification. What do you think? I also think Dodonpa should at least be rivaling Kamehameha and they are probably perfect equals. Amplification issues are no joke. What's your thoughts on this. |
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| + Emmeth | Jul 23 2014, 11:13 PM Post #67 |
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Ignoring character flaws and only looking at power is a mistake. |
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Jul 23 2014, 11:19 PM Post #68 |
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Krillen and Blue were fighting hand to hand and Krillen was getting stomped. Krillen got smart and started using some of the tactics that he learned from the invincible old master and proceeded to actually cause some damage to Blue who was otherwise his vast superior. And even for as skilled as Blue was, he had no idea how to deal with an afterimage and got embarrassed by a much weaker fighter. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 23 2014, 11:22 PM Post #69 |
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Was about to say that maybe it was lower than 1.5x or whatever prior to the 22nd, but that'd be kinda silly since Roshi should be at least as proficient as Yamcha at using his own technique at this point (and the 21st). How strong do you think Krillin's KHH was? Roshi basically states a real KHH >> Krillin's KHH...could reinforce the idea of a larger amplifier as well. Still remember Krillin saying he'd get serious before getting elbowed...can anyone confirm? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 23 2014, 11:24 PM Post #70 |
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Considering Krillin had tried the attack just once, I'd guess that there wasn't any amp to the blast. |
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Jul 23 2014, 11:27 PM Post #71 |
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Zero Amp seems to be the way to go? I don't know. That's a toughie. And Chaozu gets hurt badly by it even though they are nearly equal. It's tough these amp situations. I tend to think that we have Original Kamehameha Super Kamehameha ( which takes over for Goku's regular KHH afterwards ) Androids / Cell / Buu Kamehameha I don't think it's a ever progressing thing, I kind of think that he reaches three levels of it. Each making the previous look measly ... Original 1.5x Super 2.2x FP KHH 3-5x or so. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 23 2014, 11:30 PM Post #72 |
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Yeah, but you could argue that Chaozu wasn't expecting it. It doesn't matter if the opposing attack is bear your strength, it's going to cause a lot of pain unless you brace for it, dodge it, deflect it or counter it. |
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| + Emmeth | Jul 23 2014, 11:33 PM Post #73 |
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![]() Confirmed, but remember what I said about him underestimating his opponent. Especially early on. Also, p: Wouldn't you give Krillin props for changing up his skillset and actually putting damage on Blue? If he fought like that all the time, wouldn't he be as skilled as Blue, considering the latter had an advantage in speed? I can see Krillin warming up and being on par with Blue, maybe losing in the end. |
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Jul 23 2014, 11:40 PM Post #74 |
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General Blue 100 Krillen ( Serious ) 75 Krillen ( Not Serious ) 50 Something like that. Do you see how effortlessly Blue super speed punches Krillen? It's the same punch that Jackie used on Krillen at the Budokai. It's indicative of a tremendous gap. Sure, Krillen is really skilled at this point. I don't know why people are bagging on Krillen, he had good performances in every fight he was in, greatly outclassed Yamcha in terms of skill. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 24 2014, 12:01 AM Post #75 |
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Goku/Tao is around 1.07x, you think? Seems like Goku can block a blast that's probably as much as 1.4x stronger than him with his hands with some difficulty, huh? |
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