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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,122 Views)
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Jul 20 2014, 04:09 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 04:08 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 04:06 PM
That is an interesting point. Does Piccolo know that Goku has only shown 50% of his power at that point?
He didn't hear Goku's comment to Karin, so it's logical to assume that he didn't know
Perhaps, but is there any actual evidence to show that he doesn't know prior exiting the ROSAT?
That isn't how it works, I'm afraid. The burden of proof is on the side trying to prove that he knew something.
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No it's all conjecture based on character development. This is my own interpretation of the events and imo, it blows out any other.


As I said in the other post KP, Piccolo doesn't necessarily have to surpass 50% Goku or be that close to him. We have two suggestions.



1) Piccolo's power is useless compared to Cell is shocking.
2) Piccolo can still stand and is in the game after taking a hefty beating from Cell Jr


This gap can be pretty different.

1) I don't know where range ends at.
2) Cell was still standing after tangling with Ssj2 Gohan.
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There should be obvious signs that he is oblivious to it. Though, there is that sweat argument. Piccolo may have not been forth coming but he's still has a nervous sweat to him when he says to cut the crap.
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Jul 20 2014, 04:08 PM
Your right Clearin. But it's conjecture. An unproven hypothesis that appears to be correct.

My explanation of Piccolo's conversation blows away any others. Of course that's opinion as well.
I think it's way too overcomplicated. One thing to remember here is that these aren't real people, they're characters who have their every move and dialogue inserted by one man. This same man who said he purposely kept the story simple enough to be understood by elementary school children. A lot of what you said seems like it relies too much on characters being real and actually having lives off-panel, if such things did happen we would have known about them. I doubt Toriyama had any plans for Piccolo in the RoSaT other than "Piccolo goes in, then comes out but is still too weak to do anything". If he thought of anything more surely he'd have actually put it in the story in some way? After all what kind of elementary schooler is going to work out what you just said?
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Jul 20 2014, 04:14 PM
There should be obvious signs that he is oblivious to it. Though, there is that sweat argument. Piccolo may have not been forth coming but he's still has a nervous sweat to him when he says to cut the crap.
Piccolo makes no indication that he knows. Everything still works fine if we assume that he doesn't know, and you have to pointlessly jump through some hoops to get the other side to even begin to work
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Piccolo is clearly nervous and sweating upon Goku's answer. This suggests that Piccolo is holding onto a little bit of hope that Cell isn't as big of a monster and he's figured him to be.

Trunks utter surprise and shock seems to feel as if the group is thinking Jesus Christ how strong is Cell.

It's more about Cell's power, not Goku. They already know Goku probably can't defeat Cell. What they are hoping is that Cell is weaker than their worst fears.

Their worst fears are confirmed. Goku didn't show his full power before and they are totally helpless against the power of Cell.

That's why they are nervous and sweating.

Piccolo even feels foolish for asking Goku such a question.

This is a high level conversation between elite warriors people. Not some common rabble talk.
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>Trunks knows Goku is holding back.
>Trunks knows Goku is still weaker than Cell.
>Trunks is astounded to learn that Piccolo is no match for Cell still.


What in the John Cenas is going on in Trunks' head?

He'd have to be expecting Piccolo to be above Goku's power in order to even warrant his shock when Piccolo is revealed to be nothing, but he's still banking on Goku's power when the Cell Games come around. That's contradictory, isn't it?

And sprinkled on top, of course, is Piccolo's sweaty jock strap argument, purporting that he surpassed what Goku had previously shown.

Cell > Piccolo > Goku > Piccolo > Trunks and everyone else

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There should be obvious signs that he is oblivious to it. Though, there is that sweat argument. Piccolo may have not been forth coming but he's still has a nervous sweat to him when he says to cut the crap.
Piccolo makes no indication that he knows. Everything still works fine if we assume that he doesn't know, and you have to pointlessly jump through some hoops to get the other side to even begin to work
Fair enough, with that said, would you consider Piccolo being around SSJG2 Vegeta fair?
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There should be obvious signs that he is oblivious to it. Though, there is that sweat argument. Piccolo may have not been forth coming but he's still has a nervous sweat to him when he says to cut the crap.
Piccolo makes no indication that he knows. Everything still works fine if we assume that he doesn't know, and you have to pointlessly jump through some hoops to get the other side to even begin to work
Fair enough, with that said, would you consider Piccolo being around SSJG2 Vegeta fair?
I'd be fine with that, yeah. Something like;

Initial Perfect Cell >> ASSJ Vegeta ~ Piccolo?
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Definitely not. Piccolo is a Super Namek who's potential far surpasses a mere percentage point of the Saiyans potential. Vegeta and Trunks improperly trained and never came close to their full potential.

Goku, Gohan and Piccolo on the other hand reach their full potential...



Gohan ( Full Potential ) > Goku ( Full Potential ) ~ Vegeta and Trunks ( Full Potential ) > Vegeta and Trunks ( Close but not enough ) > Piccolo ( Full Potential ) >>> Grade Forms ( Not even close )
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Why is Trunks still putting his faith on Goku after he knew that Cell >>> MSSJ 50% Goku. Whats his plan ?
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So the Saiyans have much larger potential than Super Nameks.
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Why is Trunks still putting his faith on Goku after he knew that Cell >>> MSSJ 50% Goku. Whats his plan ?

Why is Trunks expecting Piccolo to amount to anything if he already knows an even stronger Goku is weaker than an even stronger Cell?
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They do. And which we see Vegeta and Trunks failed attempt to reach theirs doesn't even blow out Piccolo's.


Trunks thinks Goku is superior to himself heading into the Cell Game, which is why Trunks is shocked that Goku wants to go first, he wanted to save Goku for last.
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Jul 20 2014, 04:33 PM
Why is Trunks still putting his faith on Goku after he knew that Cell >>> MSSJ 50% Goku. Whats his plan ?
Trunks knows Goku has something up his sleeve. That's about all there is to it.
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Agreed, there's power and a plan up Goku's sleeve. Trunks has zero faith in his power.
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