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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
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Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,101 Views)
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Jul 20 2014, 11:21 PM
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Well Vic if they are ok with Piccolo being relatively close to 50% Goku I would take that as a success dude.
I was always fine with. 35/40 is relatively close.
That's not relatively close in a fight. That means 50% Goku lays the smack down.
So, what's relatively close? I see it as being fairly close, but there's still a notable gap there. Anything above that would be rivalling. 35/50 is 70%...which is bigger than Cui vs Vegeta 40/50 is 80% which is bigger than monster Zarbon vs Vegeta
Those weren't close fights at all.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:22 PM
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That's it, fuel the fire. Don't let it die yet.
Gohan and Krillin, weak as they were, could apparently help Vegeta take down whatever his expectations were for Freeza's 2nd form.
At this rate, we'll just get into another Cell kid talk.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:23 PM
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Well Vic if they are ok with Piccolo being relatively close to 50% Goku I would take that as a success dude.
I was always fine with. 35/40 is relatively close.
That's not relatively close in a fight. That means 50% Goku lays the smack down.
So, what's relatively close? I see it as being fairly close, but there's still a notable gap there. Anything above that would be rivalling.
35/50 is 70%...which is bigger than Cui vs Vegeta 40/50 is 80% which is bigger than monster Zarbon vs Vegeta Those weren't close fights at all. Tell me, how strong do you have weighted Piccolo at Imperfect Cell in Gingertown? He was rivalling the Androids and was only equal to 17 once he took his weights off.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:24 PM
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That's it, fuel the fire. Don't let it die yet.
Gohan and Krillin, weak as they were, could apparently help Vegeta take down whatever his expectations were for Freeza's 2nd form.
At this rate, we'll just get into another Cell kid talk.
Yeah but we're talking one on one here.
Cell games is 1 on 1 format.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:27 PM
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- Jul 20 2014, 11:21 PM
Goku at 90? Can you show yours , Qyo? Vegeta's like 1.3x stronger, maybe. - Victorious
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Yeah but we're talking one on one here.
Cell games is 1 on 1 format. Ah, I forgot about that, good point. Then your placement depends on what Trunks has in mind at the time.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:28 PM
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Well Vic if they are ok with Piccolo being relatively close to 50% Goku I would take that as a success dude.
I was always fine with. 35/40 is relatively close.
That's not relatively close in a fight. That means 50% Goku lays the smack down.
So, what's relatively close? I see it as being fairly close, but there's still a notable gap there. Anything above that would be rivalling.
35/50 is 70%...which is bigger than Cui vs Vegeta 40/50 is 80% which is bigger than monster Zarbon vs Vegeta Those weren't close fights at all.
Tell me, how strong do you have weighted Piccolo at Imperfect Cell in Gingertown? He was rivalling the Androids and was only equal to 17 once he took his weights off. Weighted Kamiccolo in comparison to whom?
I'd have him in between #18 and #17.
I'd have unweighted Kamiccolo even stronger than #17. He said #17's punches were unimpressive so I take that to mean a slight strength advantage.
Kamiccolo : 100 #17 : 95 weighted : 87 #18 : 80
Something like that makes best sense IMO
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Jul 20 2014, 11:31 PM
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Ah, I forgot about that, good point. Then your placement depends on what Trunks has in mind at the time.
Trunks has in his mind at the time exactly what Goku told him
Cell > 50% Goku.
Kamiccolo comes out the RoSaT :" I'm no match for Cell". and Goku answers "yep".
Trunks : Holy s***! sweats nervously.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:32 PM
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Well Vic if they are ok with Piccolo being relatively close to 50% Goku I would take that as a success dude.
I was always fine with. 35/40 is relatively close.
That's not relatively close in a fight. That means 50% Goku lays the smack down.
So, what's relatively close? I see it as being fairly close, but there's still a notable gap there. Anything above that would be rivalling.
35/50 is 70%...which is bigger than Cui vs Vegeta 40/50 is 80% which is bigger than monster Zarbon vs Vegeta Those weren't close fights at all.
Tell me, how strong do you have weighted Piccolo at Imperfect Cell in Gingertown? He was rivalling the Androids and was only equal to 17 once he took his weights off.
Weighted Kamiccolo in comparison to whom? I'd have him in between #18 and #17. I'd have unweighted Kamiccolo even stronger than #17. He said #17's punches were unimpressive so I take that to mean a slight strength advantage. Kamiccolo : 100 #17 : 95 weighted : 87 #18 : 80 Something like that makes best sense IMO A 1.14x increase, then?
Oh, but wait, what's that?! If Piccolo at 87 rivals #17 at 95, that's a difference of 8, right? So the maximum rivalling range is 8? If a gap of 8 is rivalling, then wouldn't a gap of 10 be just outside that, relatively close?
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Jul 20 2014, 11:32 PM
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Weighted Piccolo was only rivaling the Androids, not ahead of them.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:34 PM
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95/87 ≈ 1.09x 50/40 = 1.25x
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Jul 20 2014, 11:35 PM
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Well Vic if they are ok with Piccolo being relatively close to 50% Goku I would take that as a success dude.
I was always fine with. 35/40 is relatively close.
That's not relatively close in a fight. That means 50% Goku lays the smack down.
So, what's relatively close? I see it as being fairly close, but there's still a notable gap there. Anything above that would be rivalling.
35/50 is 70%...which is bigger than Cui vs Vegeta 40/50 is 80% which is bigger than monster Zarbon vs Vegeta Those weren't close fights at all.
Tell me, how strong do you have weighted Piccolo at Imperfect Cell in Gingertown? He was rivalling the Androids and was only equal to 17 once he took his weights off.
Weighted Kamiccolo in comparison to whom? I'd have him in between #18 and #17. I'd have unweighted Kamiccolo even stronger than #17. He said #17's punches were unimpressive so I take that to mean a slight strength advantage. Kamiccolo : 100 #17 : 95 weighted : 87 #18 : 80 Something like that makes best sense IMO
A 1.14x increase, then? Oh, but wait, what's that?! If Piccolo at 87 rivals #17 at 95, that's a difference of 8, right? So the maximum rivalling range is 8? If a gap of 8 is rivalling, then wouldn't a gap of 10 be just outside that, relatively close? What do you mean by 8 and 10?
It's about percentages.
Lets say Fighter A has to be 90% of fighter B to rival him.
So if 50% Goku were 50, then Kamiccolo weighted would have to be 45 IMO.
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Weighted Piccolo was only rivaling the Androids, not ahead of them. If he rivals #17 he should be ahead of #18.
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Well Vic if they are ok with Piccolo being relatively close to 50% Goku I would take that as a success dude.
I was always fine with. 35/40 is relatively close.
That's not relatively close in a fight. That means 50% Goku lays the smack down.
So, what's relatively close? I see it as being fairly close, but there's still a notable gap there. Anything above that would be rivalling.
35/50 is 70%...which is bigger than Cui vs Vegeta 40/50 is 80% which is bigger than monster Zarbon vs Vegeta Those weren't close fights at all.
Tell me, how strong do you have weighted Piccolo at Imperfect Cell in Gingertown? He was rivalling the Androids and was only equal to 17 once he took his weights off.
Weighted Kamiccolo in comparison to whom? I'd have him in between #18 and #17. I'd have unweighted Kamiccolo even stronger than #17. He said #17's punches were unimpressive so I take that to mean a slight strength advantage. Kamiccolo : 100 #17 : 95 weighted : 87 #18 : 80 Something like that makes best sense IMO
A 1.14x increase, then? Oh, but wait, what's that?! If Piccolo at 87 rivals #17 at 95, that's a difference of 8, right? So the maximum rivalling range is 8? If a gap of 8 is rivalling, then wouldn't a gap of 10 be just outside that, relatively close?
What do you mean by 8 and 10? It's about percentages. Lets say Fighter A has to be 90% of fighter B to rival him. So if 50% Goku were 50, then Kamiccolo weighted would have to be 45 IMO. So you think rivalling = relatively close, then? I don't agree.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:38 PM
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He was stated to rival both Androids, not just 17.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:40 PM
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So you think rivalling = relatively close, then? I don't agree.
semantic mis-interpretation I guess.
I thought you meant if guy A was relatively close to guy B, they'd have a close fight.
Kamiccolo at 35 or 40 would not have a close fight with Goku at 50.
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