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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,103 Views)
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Victorious
Jul 20 2014, 10:51 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 10:43 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 10:41 PM
No we just assert it's more likely.

Remember in me and P's worldview Kamiccolo standing up has a 100% accuracy rates. We could play out the Cell Junior scenerio and every time in our view Kamiccolo comes out standing long after the humans or tired Goku.

The ones that put him way under one shot fodder material fora Cell Junior...only 20% accuracy rate at maximum.
Wait, there's a percentage rate of accuracy when it comes to views? You've got me roaring right now.

Nice to see that you've taken de facto control of the discussion, P. A bit disappointed that you seem to be running, but oh well.
You're roaring because you're not very intelligent.
Ooooh, unnecessary harshness. You've got me crying like a baby over here, Vic. It's like you stabbed me in the heart. You know what a decent person does when they encounter someone who they think lacks intelligence? They educate them. They don't act like a meanie-pants, y'know?
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Jul 20 2014, 10:46 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 10:31 PM
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*Assuming 50% = 100%* "W-what? B-but Piccolo-san isn't that much weaker than Goku-san. If he'd be no help at all, what chance do we have?"

Y'see, a believable reaction from Trunks that fits in perfectly with Piccolo being under 50% Goku.


Well keep in mind me and P there do put him marginally under 50% Goku, but he's weighted there...and there no evidence Future Trunks is familiar with his weights.

I feel if he was actually as strong as 50% Goku or even stronger it would have been mentioned.
Yes, it would've been mentioned. It wasn't, so we can safely say that he's under 50% Goku. You don't know how much stronger he would get by taking off the weighted clothing, or if he'd get any stronger at all.
Well in he past the gets power ups for taking off that garment.
He takes it off in the Cell Games

So odds are he gets a power up.
So, Goku knows exactly how much stronger Piccolo would get if he took off his weights? The way I see it, they were both talking about his current power as if it were his full power, which it may have been.
Goku does or could at least ballpark it sure, not Future Trunks.


Goku's statement applies to a power he knows is greater than his 100% power. If Vegeta asked him how he stacks the way Kamiccolo did i'm sure Goku would tell him the same..unless if there was the whole Vegeta's pride thing..anyone else though Goku even a Cell Junior level guy Goku would tell them the same.

That's completely irrelevant. Why? It doesn't matter what Goku thinks. Piccolo doesn't know that the Cell he's being compared to is that strong.
No it's not irrelavent, Goku would be applying his comment to a power he knows is above his 100% power.

And Kamiccolo suspects a power well above 50% Goku.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:55 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 10:31 PM
Quote:
 
*Assuming 50% = 100%* "W-what? B-but Piccolo-san isn't that much weaker than Goku-san. If he'd be no help at all, what chance do we have?"

Y'see, a believable reaction from Trunks that fits in perfectly with Piccolo being under 50% Goku.


Well keep in mind me and P there do put him marginally under 50% Goku, but he's weighted there...and there no evidence Future Trunks is familiar with his weights.

I feel if he was actually as strong as 50% Goku or even stronger it would have been mentioned.
Yes, it would've been mentioned. It wasn't, so we can safely say that he's under 50% Goku. You don't know how much stronger he would get by taking off the weighted clothing, or if he'd get any stronger at all.
Well in he past the gets power ups for taking off that garment.
He takes it off in the Cell Games

So odds are he gets a power up.
So, Goku knows exactly how much stronger Piccolo would get if he took off his weights? The way I see it, they were both talking about his current power as if it were his full power, which it may have been.
Goku does or could at least ballpark it sure, not Future Trunks.


Goku's statement applies to a power he knows is greater than his 100% power. If Vegeta asked him how he stacks the way Kamiccolo did i'm sure Goku would tell him the same..unless if there was the whole Vegeta's pride thing..anyone else though Goku even a Cell Junior level guy Goku would tell them the same.

That's completely irrelevant. Why? It doesn't matter what Goku thinks. Piccolo doesn't know that the Cell he's being compared to is that strong.
No it's not irrelavent, Goku would be applying his comment to a power he knows is above his 100% power.

And Kamiccolo suspects a power well above 50% Goku.
He expects a power that's > 50% Goku, yeah, but it's not said by how much. The only way he could know that he wouldn't be of help is if he was notably weaker than 50% Goku.
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Still failing to see why Piccolo has to be at a set level.

Like I said before, I can have him 1.2X stronger thsn his Pre-RoSaT self and everything works fine.
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Father Brofist was about to type up a post longer than the thread itself but has decided against it.
Clearin was recently sighted viewing the thread silently...lord knows what wisdom lies in his crown, that which never crosses anyone's mind until he posts a piece of it every hour or so before silently leaving, his post uncontested.
Shots have been fired between Snake and Vic, and things have escalated to a personal level. There is no telling when one of them will break.
p is currently occupied with another matter.
koaj is laughing and disliking in his heart.
Havoc has returned after years of absence. Welcome back, Havoc.
Urameshi is...is that cake?
And I still can't figure out for the life of me why people put pickles in their cheeseburgers.

Snake, Pic thinks he won't be of help, but Trunks seems to think so, why?
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SSJ Vegeta: 100
SSJ Trunks: 98
MSSJ Goku 50%: 95
Piccolo: 92

I have it like it currently. Seems fine by me.
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k guys this doesn't make any sense

burden lies on the guys claiming for piccolo to be X
that hasn't happened its clearly not gonna at this point
this thread was over at like page 5

u guys might be some ''hot shot'' debaters but due to what we get from manga
and covers and statements its quite clear that u cant proof anything here

piccolo doesnt have to be anything anyone doesnt want them to be
theres nothing directly stating where he lands
these are all mere assumptions and guesses from mad debaters thoughts

this thread is literally over

keep racking up the post count though
p u might hit 200 today
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Jul 20 2014, 11:03 PM
Father Brofist was about to type up a post longer than the thread itself but has decided against it.
Clearin was recently sighted viewing the thread silently...lord knows what wisdom lies in his crown, that which never crosses anyone's mind until he posts a piece of it every hour or so before silently leaving, his post uncontested.
Shots have been fired between Snake and Vic, and things have escalated to a personal level. There is no telling when one of them will break.
p is currently occupied with another matter.
koaj is laughing and disliking in his heart.
Havoc has returned after years of absence. Welcome back, Havoc.
Urameshi is...is that cake?
And I still can't figure out for the life of me why people put pickles in their cheeseburgers.

Snake, Pic thinks he won't be of help, but Trunks seems to think so, why?
Trunks thinks that if Piccolo, who's quite near to Goku in the grand scheme of things, can't be of any help at all, then Cell's much greater than he thought and their chances just seem that much slimmer.
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Alex ClownBoss
Jul 20 2014, 11:04 PM
SSJ Vegeta: 100
SSJ Trunks: 98
MSSJ Goku 50%: 95
Piccolo: 92

I have it like it currently. Seems fine by me.
Vegeta thinks he's gonna give Cell a beating. No way is he barely over 50% Goku like that.
Havoc_Wreaker
Jul 20 2014, 11:04 PM
these are all mere assumptions and guesses from mad debaters thoughts

this thread is literally over
This guy gets it.
I like the sound of 50 pages, though, so let's pretend nobody heard ;)
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Not gonna bother reading through all this. Is it reasonable to assume Piccolo is nearing 50% Goku? I'm not asking whether he has to be.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:57 PM
]He expects a power that's > 50% Goku, yeah, but it's not said by how much. The only way he could know that he wouldn't be of help is if he was notably weaker than 50% Goku.
UGH,

It's clearly a lot more than what Future Trunks was expecting.

And how do we know it's a lot more than what Future Trunks was expecting? Because he was surprised and nervous from the conversation.

Future Trunks already knows Cell is > 50% Goku....Goku said that on Kami's lookout to all of them.

Future Trunks is surprise to learn that Kamiccolo is fodder to Cell. So that means Kamiccolo must have been talking about a power much higher than a power that was simply > 50% Goku.




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Jul 20 2014, 11:07 PM
Not gonna bother reading through all this. Is it reasonable to assume Piccolo is nearing 50% Goku? I'm not asking whether he has to be.
no it's not
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Not to mention the Z-Group was desperate for some hope against a guy that humiliated Vegeta and Trunks with ease.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:07 PM
Not gonna bother reading through all this. Is it reasonable to assume Piccolo is nearing 50% Goku? I'm not asking whether he has to be.
Yes. It's reasonable to have him 40%-65% of Goku. Personal preference where.
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Jul 20 2014, 11:07 PM
Not gonna bother reading through all this. Is it reasonable to assume Piccolo is nearing 50% Goku? I'm not asking whether he has to be.
It's possible, but not set into stone, as is the opposite viewpoint.
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