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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
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Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,104 Views)
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* Yu Narukami
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Jul 20 2014, 10:30 PM
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- Kyouks
- Jul 20 2014, 10:27 PM
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- Jul 20 2014, 10:23 PM
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- Jul 20 2014, 10:20 PM
Ok let's say Piccolo was down in the dirt Vic, how strong would you think he is? Yea Snake I'm good with that.
It's important to find out Cell Juniors true ability if we are going to try to figure out how strong their opponents are.
If I were to say that they were fighting at their full power, how would that make a difference with the situation regarding Piccolo?
If they are toying with Vegeta and Trunks and still fighting evenly, then Piccolo's state during the fight is meaningless. If they're using their full power against Vegeta and Trunks, Piccolo's state may still mean something. Which would be based on the assumption that Piccolo > 50% Goku?
Since they haven't proven that, there's no real significance to that yet.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:31 PM
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*Assuming 50% = 100%* "W-what? B-but Piccolo-san isn't that much weaker than Goku-san. If he'd be no help at all, what chance do we have?"
Y'see, a believable reaction from Trunks that fits in perfectly with Piccolo being under 50% Goku.
Well keep in mind me and P there do put him marginally under 50% Goku, but he's weighted there...and there no evidence Future Trunks is familiar with his weights.
I feel if he was actually as strong as 50% Goku or even stronger it would have been mentioned.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:34 PM
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- Jul 20 2014, 10:31 PM
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*Assuming 50% = 100%* "W-what? B-but Piccolo-san isn't that much weaker than Goku-san. If he'd be no help at all, what chance do we have?"
Y'see, a believable reaction from Trunks that fits in perfectly with Piccolo being under 50% Goku.
Well keep in mind me and P there do put him marginally under 50% Goku, but he's weighted there...and there no evidence Future Trunks is familiar with his weights. I feel if he was actually as strong as 50% Goku or even stronger it would have been mentioned. Yes, it would've been mentioned. It wasn't, so we can safely say that he's under 50% Goku. You don't know how much stronger he would get by taking off the weighted clothing, or if he'd get any stronger at all.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:35 PM
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Agreed. We all think that Piccolo is weaker than 50% Goku in that conversation.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:36 PM
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- Jul 20 2014, 10:34 PM
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*Assuming 50% = 100%* "W-what? B-but Piccolo-san isn't that much weaker than Goku-san. If he'd be no help at all, what chance do we have?"
Y'see, a believable reaction from Trunks that fits in perfectly with Piccolo being under 50% Goku.
Well keep in mind me and P there do put him marginally under 50% Goku, but he's weighted there...and there no evidence Future Trunks is familiar with his weights. I feel if he was actually as strong as 50% Goku or even stronger it would have been mentioned.
Yes, it would've been mentioned. It wasn't, so we can safely say that he's under 50% Goku. You don't know how much stronger he would get by taking off the weighted clothing, or if he'd get any stronger at all. Well in he past the gets power ups for taking off that garment. He takes it off in the Cell Games
So odds are he gets a power up.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:37 PM
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It's okay to have Piccolo above 50% MSSJ Goku.
The problem here is when people assert that he has to be at that level.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:38 PM
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*Assuming 50% = 100%* "W-what? B-but Piccolo-san isn't that much weaker than Goku-san. If he'd be no help at all, what chance do we have?"
Y'see, a believable reaction from Trunks that fits in perfectly with Piccolo being under 50% Goku.
Well keep in mind me and P there do put him marginally under 50% Goku, but he's weighted there...and there no evidence Future Trunks is familiar with his weights. I feel if he was actually as strong as 50% Goku or even stronger it would have been mentioned.
Yes, it would've been mentioned. It wasn't, so we can safely say that he's under 50% Goku. You don't know how much stronger he would get by taking off the weighted clothing, or if he'd get any stronger at all.
Well in he past the gets power ups for taking off that garment. He takes it off in the Cell Games So odds are he gets a power up. So, Goku knows exactly how much stronger Piccolo would get if he took off his weights? The way I see it, they were both talking about his current power as if it were his full power, which it may have been.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:41 PM
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No we just assert it's more likely.
Remember in me and P's worldview Kamiccolo standing up has a 100% accuracy rates. We could play out the Cell Junior scenerio and every time in our view Kamiccolo comes out standing long after the humans or tired Goku.
The ones that put him way under one shot fodder material fora Cell Junior...only 20% accuracy rate at maximum.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:41 PM
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Alright I think we can wrap it up on that note.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:43 PM
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*Assuming 50% = 100%* "W-what? B-but Piccolo-san isn't that much weaker than Goku-san. If he'd be no help at all, what chance do we have?"
Y'see, a believable reaction from Trunks that fits in perfectly with Piccolo being under 50% Goku.
Well keep in mind me and P there do put him marginally under 50% Goku, but he's weighted there...and there no evidence Future Trunks is familiar with his weights. I feel if he was actually as strong as 50% Goku or even stronger it would have been mentioned.
Yes, it would've been mentioned. It wasn't, so we can safely say that he's under 50% Goku. You don't know how much stronger he would get by taking off the weighted clothing, or if he'd get any stronger at all.
Well in he past the gets power ups for taking off that garment. He takes it off in the Cell Games So odds are he gets a power up.
So, Goku knows exactly how much stronger Piccolo would get if he took off his weights? The way I see it, they were both talking about his current power as if it were his full power, which it may have been. Goku does or could at least ballpark it sure, not Future Trunks.
Goku's statement applies to a power he knows is greater than his 100% power. If Vegeta asked him how he stacks the way Kamiccolo did i'm sure Goku would tell him the same..unless if there was the whole Vegeta's pride thing..anyone else though Goku even a Cell Junior level guy Goku would tell them the same.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:43 PM
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- Jul 20 2014, 10:41 PM
No we just assert it's more likely.
Remember in me and P's worldview Kamiccolo standing up has a 100% accuracy rates. We could play out the Cell Junior scenerio and every time in our view Kamiccolo comes out standing long after the humans or tired Goku.
The ones that put him way under one shot fodder material fora Cell Junior...only 20% accuracy rate at maximum. Wait, there's a percentage rate of accuracy when it comes to views? You've got me roaring right now.
Nice to see that you've taken de facto control of the discussion, P. A bit disappointed that you seem to be running, but oh well.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:45 PM
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- Jul 20 2014, 10:43 PM
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No we just assert it's more likely.
Remember in me and P's worldview Kamiccolo standing up has a 100% accuracy rates. We could play out the Cell Junior scenerio and every time in our view Kamiccolo comes out standing long after the humans or tired Goku.
The ones that put him way under one shot fodder material fora Cell Junior...only 20% accuracy rate at maximum.
Wait, there's a percentage rate of accuracy when it comes to views? You've got me roaring right now. That is not what he said and you know it, you bully
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Jul 20 2014, 10:46 PM
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*Assuming 50% = 100%* "W-what? B-but Piccolo-san isn't that much weaker than Goku-san. If he'd be no help at all, what chance do we have?"
Y'see, a believable reaction from Trunks that fits in perfectly with Piccolo being under 50% Goku.
Well keep in mind me and P there do put him marginally under 50% Goku, but he's weighted there...and there no evidence Future Trunks is familiar with his weights. I feel if he was actually as strong as 50% Goku or even stronger it would have been mentioned.
Yes, it would've been mentioned. It wasn't, so we can safely say that he's under 50% Goku. You don't know how much stronger he would get by taking off the weighted clothing, or if he'd get any stronger at all.
Well in he past the gets power ups for taking off that garment. He takes it off in the Cell Games So odds are he gets a power up.
So, Goku knows exactly how much stronger Piccolo would get if he took off his weights? The way I see it, they were both talking about his current power as if it were his full power, which it may have been.
Goku does or could at least ballpark it sure, not Future Trunks. Goku's statement applies to a power he knows is greater than his 100% power. If Vegeta asked him how he stacks the way Kamiccolo did i'm sure Goku would tell him the same..unless if there was the whole Vegeta's pride thing..anyone else though Goku even a Cell Junior level guy Goku would tell them the same. That's completely irrelevant. Why? It doesn't matter what Goku thinks. Piccolo doesn't know that the Cell he's being compared to is that strong.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:51 PM
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- Jul 20 2014, 10:41 PM
No we just assert it's more likely.
Remember in me and P's worldview Kamiccolo standing up has a 100% accuracy rates. We could play out the Cell Junior scenerio and every time in our view Kamiccolo comes out standing long after the humans or tired Goku.
The ones that put him way under one shot fodder material fora Cell Junior...only 20% accuracy rate at maximum.
Wait, there's a percentage rate of accuracy when it comes to views? You've got me roaring right now. Nice to see that you've taken de facto control of the discussion, P. A bit disappointed that you seem to be running, but oh well. You're roaring because you're not very intelligent.
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Jul 20 2014, 10:53 PM
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Same thing with asserting Piccolo is ASSJ Vegeta level.
Piccolo can be any amount stronger than his Pre-RoSaT self. I can have him like 1.2X stronger after the RoSaT if I wanted to.
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