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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,107 Views)
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Clearin
Jul 20 2014, 09:31 PM
Goku was still standing after Freeza was toying with him, despite Vegeta going down like a b*** when Freeza was toying with him.
^ This

Piccolo standing isn't a good argument granted these kind of things always happen in DBZ. Goku VS Freeza is a good example of that.
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Jul 20 2014, 09:24 PM
Cell tells the Jr's to stop fooling around right at the moment where Mr. Satan throws #16's head at Gohan beginning the SSJ2 sequence. Him being up at that point of time doesn't mean much.
But even while "fooling around" they knocked Goku and the humans to a movless pulp. The phsycial difference between they and Kamiccolo post fight is huge.

So we still come the world of randomness hypothesis that Kamiccolo lucked out with a nice guy Cell Junior that likes to go easier on his opponents than the others.


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Jul 20 2014, 09:36 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 09:24 PM
Cell tells the Jr's to stop fooling around right at the moment where Mr. Satan throws #16's head at Gohan beginning the SSJ2 sequence. Him being up at that point of time doesn't mean much.
But even while "fooling around" they knocked Goku and the humans to a movless pulp. The phsycial difference between they and Kamiccolo post fight is huge.

So we still come the world of randomness hypothesis that Kamiccolo lucked out with a nice guy Cell Junior that likes to go easier on his opponents than the others.


No, what i'm trying to get at is people can't just assert a certain Cell.Jr used X amount of power against a certain character. It's a totally baseless assumption to think that.
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Jul 20 2014, 09:24 PM
Cell tells the Jr's to stop fooling around right at the moment where Mr. Satan throws #16's head at Gohan beginning the SSJ2 sequence. Him being up at that point of time doesn't mean much.
But even while "fooling around" they knocked Goku and the humans to a movless pulp. The phsycial difference between they and Kamiccolo post fight is huge.

So we still come the world of randomness hypothesis that Kamiccolo lucked out with a nice guy Cell Junior that likes to go easier on his opponents than the others.


Maybe he did. All I know is that the Cell Kids were holding back and Piccolo pretty much knew he wasn't as strong as 50% Goku.
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Ok let's turn this into a math problem....

Ok if we have 7 opponents on Team A who are equal in strength vs 7 opponents on Team B who are not equal in strength, how can we determine who's strongest?

1) Out of the 7 opponents on Team B, 2 are stated be equal with their counterparts on Team A.

2) On Team B we have 4 members beaten down in the dirt. 3 are unconscious, while one is barely conscious.

3) The remaining member of Team B, is neither in the ground, not unconscious and was not stated be equal. He is however, standing upright against his opponent. He appears a good deal worse for wear than the 2 member of Team B who were equal.


I think any ration answer would have to conclude that

Team A Members = 2 Members from Team B > 1 Member from Team B ( Standing ) > 1 Member from Team B ( on the ground but conscious ) > 3 Members of Team B ( on the ground KO'd )


How strong is the member who is not in the ground, but not stated to be equal?
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Jul 20 2014, 09:39 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 09:36 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 09:24 PM
Cell tells the Jr's to stop fooling around right at the moment where Mr. Satan throws #16's head at Gohan beginning the SSJ2 sequence. Him being up at that point of time doesn't mean much.
But even while "fooling around" they knocked Goku and the humans to a movless pulp. The phsycial difference between they and Kamiccolo post fight is huge.

So we still come the world of randomness hypothesis that Kamiccolo lucked out with a nice guy Cell Junior that likes to go easier on his opponents than the others.


Maybe he did. All I know is that the Cell Kids were holding back and Piccolo pretty much knew he wasn't as strong as 50% Goku.
What do you mean by holding back? Are you saying they weren't at full power?
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Based on this line:
Cell (to Gohan): “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly…Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…”

It sounds more like a stamina issue than a power one. It could be that all the Cell Jrs are using the same strength in relation to their opponent (exceptions being Vegeta and Trunks obviously), but Piccolo has much more stamina than the humans, so even though he can't get a single hit on his Cell Jr, he still has so much more stamina that he can stay on his feet longer. This would also explain why Tien was shown standing for at least one panel, he can't do anything but his stamina hadn't been run out yet.
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Jul 20 2014, 09:24 PM
Cell tells the Jr's to stop fooling around right at the moment where Mr. Satan throws #16's head at Gohan beginning the SSJ2 sequence. Him being up at that point of time doesn't mean much.
But even while "fooling around" they knocked Goku and the humans to a movless pulp. The phsycial difference between they and Kamiccolo post fight is huge.

So we still come the world of randomness hypothesis that Kamiccolo lucked out with a nice guy Cell Junior that likes to go easier on his opponents than the others.


Maybe he did. All I know is that the Cell Kids were holding back and Piccolo pretty much knew he wasn't as strong as 50% Goku.
What do you mean by holding back? Are you saying they weren't at full power?
The very idea of one of the humans surviving a hit from a full power Cell Kid is ludicrous.
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Jul 20 2014, 09:42 PM
Based on this line:
Cell (to Gohan): “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly…Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…”

It sounds more like a stamina issue than a power one. It could be that all the Cell Jrs are using the same strength in relation to their opponent (exceptions being Vegeta and Trunks obviously), but Piccolo has much more stamina than the humans, so even though he can't get a single hit on his Cell Jr, he still has so much more stamina that he can stay on his feet longer. This would also explain why Tien was shown standing for at least one panel, he can't do anything but his stamina hadn't been run out yet.
What do you mean by "exceptions of Vegeta and Future Trunks?"
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I also assume that Krillin not dying after taking a kick from Perfect Cell means he has to be around ASSJ Vegeta level right?
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Jul 20 2014, 09:43 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 09:42 PM
Based on this line:
Cell (to Gohan): “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly…Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…”

It sounds more like a stamina issue than a power one. It could be that all the Cell Jrs are using the same strength in relation to their opponent (exceptions being Vegeta and Trunks obviously), but Piccolo has much more stamina than the humans, so even though he can't get a single hit on his Cell Jr, he still has so much more stamina that he can stay on his feet longer. This would also explain why Tien was shown standing for at least one panel, he can't do anything but his stamina hadn't been run out yet.
What do you mean by "exceptions of Vegeta and Future Trunks?"
When I said "It could be that all the Cell Jrs are using the same strength in relation to their opponent" I mean it's possible that each Cell Jr is using 20% (random number to make a point) more power than their opponent. Vegeta and Trunks' Cell Jrs are fighting equally, so they're obviously not using more power than their opponents, and I doubt they can.

If Yamcha, Krillin, Tien and Piccolo all fought Cell Jrs with 20% more power than them, Piccolo would last the longest due to having more stamina.
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Jul 20 2014, 09:42 PM
The very idea of one of the humans surviving a hit from a full power Cell Kid is ludicrous
Are Vegeta and Trunks barely fighting evenly with a full power Cell Junior or not?
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Jul 20 2014, 09:46 PM
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The very idea of one of the humans surviving a hit from a full power Cell Kid is ludicrous
Are Vegeta and Trunks barely fighting evenly with a full power Cell Junior or not?
No but it's stated that the two could hold their own against the rascals.
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Jul 20 2014, 09:42 PM
The very idea of one of the humans surviving a hit from a full power Cell Kid is ludicrous
Are Vegeta and Trunks barely fighting evenly with a full power Cell Junior or not?
Perhaps. Regardless, they're barely fighting evenly with a Cell Kid that might be fooling around. Could you imagine if one of the humans got in the way and got hit by a punch or kick? It'd be over for them. Yet we see the humans surviving the attacks and attempting to fight back. Unless they're all > 50% Goku, you have to admit that they were holding back.
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Jul 20 2014, 09:44 PM
I also assume that Krillin not dying after taking a kick from Perfect Cell means he has to be around ASSJ Vegeta level right?
That's actually a great point, both SSJG2 Vegeta and Krillin go down instantly for Warm Up Cell.

Because even though Vegeta is a thousand times stronger than Krilin, he's still at such a level where he goes down almost instantly to Warm Up Cell.

To not go down instantly when Cell wants to put you down..you have to be a lot stronger than SSJG2 Vegeta.
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