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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
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That's exactly my point Snake.

Saying a Cell Jr using a specific amount of power is bonafide conjecture.
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p123
Jul 20 2014, 08:54 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjecture

And yes let's assume Cell Jr was using FP. What then?
It wasn't, though.

1) Piccolo wasn't included in Cell's comment
2) The Cell Kids were told to hurt the Z-Senshi. Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo seem pretty hurt to me
3) The Cell Kids were 'fooling around' with everyone, including Vegeta and Trunks.

Just because they weren't being mercilessly tortured doesn't mean they weren't being hurt.
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I don't think the the Jrs were fooling around with Vegeta and Trunks. Look at their fights, Cell Jr is in visible pain and anguish against Vegeta and responds angrily.

Vegeta and Trunks are stated to be fighting evenly.

I'm saying Piccolo wasn't fighting evenly. I'm saying he was holding his own.

I'm saying Cell Jr went all out against Vegeta Trunks and Piccolo.

I'm saying Piccolo vs Cell Jr looks like Tao Pai Pai vs Goku Post Korin. He's clearly losing but he's holding his own .

I think this is more than baseless assumption. Its conjecture, an unproven hypothesis that seems to be factual.
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Jul 20 2014, 09:00 PM
I don't think the the Jrs were fooling around with Vegeta and Trunks. Look at their fights, Cell Jr is in visible pain and anguish against Vegeta and responds angrily.

Vegeta and Trunks are stated to be fighting evenly.

I'm saying Piccolo wasn't fighting evenly. I'm saying he was holding his own.

I'm saying Cell Jr went all out against Vegeta Trunks and Piccolo.

I'm saying Piccolo vs Cell Jr looks like Tao Pai Pai vs Goku Post Korin. He's clearly losing but he's holding his own .

I think this is more than baseless assumption. Its conjecture, an unproven hypothesis that seems to be factual.
Chapter: 407 (DBZ 213), P6.5
Vegeta: “Wh-what strength…! A bunch of little squirts like this [are doing this] to me…”

Sounds like Vegeta was having a really tough time.

I'm saying that all the Cell Kids were fooling around. That's Cell's statement and he doesn't mention any exceptions out loud or in his own mind.
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Baseless Assumption/Unproven Hypothesis and Factual do not belong in the same sentence.

Saying just because Piccolo was standing up in that given panel isn't going to make Piccolo being near Vegeta/Trunks fact.
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Jul 20 2014, 08:58 PM
p123
Jul 20 2014, 08:54 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjecture

And yes let's assume Cell Jr was using FP. What then?
It wasn't, though.

1) Piccolo wasn't included in Cell's comment
2) The Cell Kids were told to hurt the Z-Senshi. Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo seem pretty hurt to me
3) The Cell Kids were 'fooling around' with everyone, including Vegeta and Trunks.

Just because they weren't being mercilessly tortured doesn't mean they weren't being hurt.
So you're of the opinion the Cell Juniors can one shot Kamicolo and easily put him on the ground, right.? 2x means insta KO if wanted to.

You're basicaly saying that Kamiccolo's Cell Junior used a smaller portion of his power against him than Goku's Cell Junior did to him, and the human's did to them.

In your world since it was just a matter of choice on who they put down, the humans could have been easily standing up and Kamiccolo could have been on the ground, right?


I just find it all too consistent that all 3 humans would go down. You'd figure in this world of randomness you subscribe too that maybe one of the 3 humans would look like Kamiccolo. Why is Kamiccolo's Cell Junior such a nice guy?
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Let's try both options. K?

Cell Junior is using 100% against Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks.

We see that Vegeta and Trunks fight evenly with the Cell Juniors and they only shown minimal damage after a short fight.


Cell Junior uses 100% power against Piccolo, who although he is weaker, is strong enough to put up a fight. Similar to how Tao Pai Pai fought Goku Post Korin.



Now let's try the other way. Cell Junior is greatly stronger than Piccolo. Heck, he doesn't even need to use full power. Please tell me why Piccolo still looks like he's in the game and still fighting, even after Cell tells them to stop fooling around?

Imo, Piccolo should be in the dirt just like the others should Cell Junior be strong enough to put him there.

Why is this looked as a crazy point of view?


This is the first definition on Google for conjecture. It's from Wikipedia.


A conjecture is a proposition that is unproven. Karl Popper pioneered the use of the term "conjecture" in scientific philosophy.[1] Conjecture is related to hypothesis, which in science refers to a testable conjecture. In mathematics, a conjecture is an unproven proposition that appears correct.[2
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Victorious
Jul 20 2014, 09:15 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 08:58 PM
p123
Jul 20 2014, 08:54 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjecture

And yes let's assume Cell Jr was using FP. What then?
It wasn't, though.

1) Piccolo wasn't included in Cell's comment
2) The Cell Kids were told to hurt the Z-Senshi. Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo seem pretty hurt to me
3) The Cell Kids were 'fooling around' with everyone, including Vegeta and Trunks.

Just because they weren't being mercilessly tortured doesn't mean they weren't being hurt.
So you're of the opinion the Cell Juniors can one shot Kamicolo and easily put him on the ground, right.? 2x means insta KO if wanted to.

You're basicaly saying that Kamiccolo's Cell Junior used a smaller portion of his power against him than Goku's Cell Junior did to him, and the human's did to them.

In your world since it was just a matter of choice on who they put down, the humans could have been easily standing up and Kamiccolo could have been on the ground, right?


I just find it all too consistent that all 3 humans would go down. You'd figure in this world of randomness you subscribe too that maybe one of the 3 humans would look like Kamiccolo. Why is Kamiccolo's Cell Junior such a nice guy?
Ooh, you're mean.

So because Piccolo wasn't on the floor crying, the Cell Kid was going all out? He was still hurting; they're all bloody in the panels that we see them. The Cell Kids are doing what they asked, they just went about it in different ways with different powers.
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> "In mathematics"
lol

Got a question for all of you folks. When Trunks fights the future androids "fairly well," they are toying because they've done it before. True or false?
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Cell tells the Jr's to stop fooling around right at the moment where Mr. Satan throws #16's head at Gohan beginning the SSJ2 sequence. Him being up at that point of time doesn't mean much.
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I'd say false, Future Androids are suggested to be weaker than the Present Androids enough times that I think it's real.

Snake, the Cell Juniors don't appear satisfied until they have put their opponent into the dirt. If Cell Junior had the power to put Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks into the dirt, they would have done so.

They didn't beat everyone else stand and take it easy on Piccolo because they like him or something. Do you think Cell Jr has a crush on Piccolo because they are both asexuals? I mean that's quite a possibility, no one else is assexual. I'd guess they have some sort of bonding moment?

Cell Jr- Dude, I'd totally put you down in the dirt with the rest of your companions, but I know the pain of not being able to have sex. It's a horror, horrible world ain't it?

Piccolo- I know dude. I don't even have anything to whack, it's just nothing. All I do is drink water. I hate my life.

Cell Jr- Dude, ok just this once, I'm going to pretend you are strong enough to not be in the dirt, screw the audience who cares what they think. Us asexuals needs to stick together brah.

Piccolo- Mah N*gga



Did something like that go down?
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But p, they toyed with Gohan, no? That must mean they toyed all the time, right? Even when they're no longer dominating the person they wanna beat down, yeah?
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Jul 20 2014, 09:25 PM
I'd say false, Future Androids are suggested to be weaker than the Present Androids enough times that I think it's real.

Snake, the Cell Juniors don't appear satisfied until they have put their opponent into the dirt. If Cell Junior had the power to put Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks into the dirt, they would have done so.

They didn't beat everyone else stand and take it easy on Piccolo because they like him or something. Do you think Cell Jr has a crush on Piccolo because they are both asexuals? I mean that's quite a possibility, no one else is assexual. I'd guess they have some sort of bonding moment?

Cell Jr- Dude, I'd totally put you down in the dirt with the rest of your companions, but I know the pain of not being able to have sex. It's a horror, horrible world ain't it?

Piccolo- I know dude. I don't even have anything to whack, it's just nothing. All I do is drink water. I hate my life.

Cell Jr- Dude, ok just this once, I'm going to pretend you are strong enough to not be in the dirt, screw the audience who cares what they think. Us asexuals needs to stick together brah.

Piccolo- Mah N*gga



Did something like that go down?
Okay, so the humans were able to survive against somebody who's fooling around at Cell Games SSJ Vegeta level. Damn, they're really durable, huh? To be able to take punches from someone who's probably hundreds of times stronger than them.
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Goku was still standing after Freeza was toying with him, despite Vegeta going down like a b*** when Freeza was toying with him.
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