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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,110 Views)
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Kyouks
Jul 20 2014, 08:04 PM
Snake, you just strengthened Vic's argument, I hope you know...
Oh my, silly me.
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Nah, no bulls*** this time, I think you did. Let's see what Vic has to say...
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Like I said, it just depends on whether or not the Cell Juniors 'serious' level fought Kamiccolo / Vegeta / Future Trunks or not.

We don't know based on Satan immediately throwing #16's head or not. We don't know if they fought the Z senshi or not "not foolind around".

We could get a possibility that Future Trunks and Vegeta don't actually rival the Cell Juniors.

Whatever level the 'fooling around' level is supposed to be...that's the level Vegeta and Future Trunks rival and the level Kamiccolo stood to..and the humans and Goku can't stand up to.

So it doesn't really change any sort of statistical power chain.
Edited by Victorious, Jul 20 2014, 08:10 PM.
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Cell Juniors only fight evenly if someone has matched their power.

Vegeta and Trunks are fighting evenly, Piccolo is holding his own.
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Victorious
Jul 20 2014, 08:08 PM
If the Cell kids didn't have time to be serious, then arguing that the humans are still alive is moot.
This is what you're supposed to say...
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They were fooling around with Goku and the humans. They were not fooling around with Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks.
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Piccolo is not doing much worse than Vegeta and Trunks, we have a solid case for putting Piccolo above tired MSSJ Goku who wasn't doing so bad against a tired Cell.

Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5
Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go into the Room of Spirit and Time?”
Piccolo: “Indeed.”
Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even so, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”

Everyone thinks Goku's 50% was his full strength? Piccolo immediately knew he was nothing to Cell, who everyone thought Goku would have a shot against, which means he's below 50% Goku level. He should be at least around Vegeta (first trip).
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Piccolo looks exactly like what a 85% gap looks like imo.

Vegeta Trunks Cell Junior 100
Piccolo 85

Maybe even 80 if you'd like. 85 feels right though.

Why is that an issue?
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Kyouks
Jul 20 2014, 08:14 PM
Victorious
Jul 20 2014, 08:08 PM
If the Cell kids didn't have time to be serious, then arguing that the humans are still alive is moot.
This is what you're supposed to say...
The Cell Juniors were definitely not trying to instantly kill the humans or Goku or anyone before Cell issued that comment.

I don't think anyone can argue with that.

They were trying to beat them too the ground though. Which they did.
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Jul 20 2014, 08:14 PM
Victorious
Jul 20 2014, 08:08 PM
If the Cell kids didn't have time to be serious, then arguing that the humans are still alive is moot.
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No, no, no. Should've let him work it out himself.

Part of the point still stands, though. Even when considering the humans being alive, the point proves that the Cell Kids were fooling around, thus Piccolo's efforts aren't that special.
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This simple situation seems to be so hard to understand. Its pretty ridiculous. Context here people.

Make them hurt!

Cell Juniors are going hard enough to hurt everyone badly.

Enough fooling around kill them!

By this point everyone should be knocked on the ground who wasn't strong enough.

Everyone is beaten down like a dog except for the ones who are strong enough to continue fighting.

If we waited another minute Piccolo would probably be down, but he's not yet. He's a beast.
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There's this assumption that all the Cell Juniors are equal when they're fooling around. Krillin wouldn't survive one hit from the Cell Kid that was fighting Vegeta if they fought at that level.
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They are using different levels of strength.

Cell Juniors vs Humans are using absolute minimum power.

Cell Junior vs Goku is using the lions share of his power

Cell Junior vs Piccolo / Vegeta / Trunks are using their full power

Why is this rocket science to you?
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Ever made a bottle rocket? I like those.
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p123
Jul 20 2014, 08:27 PM
They are using different levels of strength.

Cell Juniors vs Humans are using absolute minimum power.

Cell Junior vs Goku is using the lions share of his power

Cell Junior vs Piccolo / Vegeta / Trunks are using their full power

Why is this rocket science to you?
Your first line is correct. They're all using different levels of strength. Each one of them.
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