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| Hurry My Curry | Jul 20 2014, 07:08 PM Post #241 |
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If Piccolo was on par with the Cell Jrs, he would have been included in the statement. He is not, therefore the Cell Jrs are not giving their all. KP has outlined it, Cell Jrs have serious faces towards Vegeta and Trunks, smiling towards everyone else. Tien is standing up in one panel. The Cell Jr sequence simply does not mean anything for Piccolo.
Edited by Hurry My Curry, Jul 20 2014, 07:09 PM.
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Jul 20 2014, 07:10 PM Post #242 |
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Kamiccolo standing like a boss. ![]()
Edited by Victorious, Jul 20 2014, 07:13 PM.
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jul 20 2014, 07:13 PM Post #243 |
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hmmmmm\ http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9021792&t=8492676 but what do i know im in the ''Negligible Tier/Filthy Peasants:'' rght
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 20 2014, 07:13 PM Post #244 |
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Chapter: 407 (DBZ 213), P6.5 Vegeta: “Wh-what strength…! A bunch of little squirts like this [are doing this] to me…" Vegeta was having a hard time just keeping fairly even with them. Also, Cell told the Cell Kids to get serious once he realised Gohan wasn't getting angry enough. |
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Jul 20 2014, 07:15 PM Post #245 |
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^ Well if Cell tells them to get serious that only strengthens my argument since Kamicolo is standing like a boss when Gohan goes SSJ2. See above. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 20 2014, 07:15 PM Post #246 |
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See, if they weren't toying around, why would he tell them to get serious? |
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| Hurry My Curry | Jul 20 2014, 07:15 PM Post #247 |
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Let's just disregard this post. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 20 2014, 07:17 PM Post #248 |
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I was about to b1tch about the constant quoting of the damn CN tower in every post. Don't ever do that again. |
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Jul 20 2014, 07:18 PM Post #249 |
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What's the quote? And did he say that after Gohan turned SSJ2 or something? |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jul 20 2014, 07:19 PM Post #250 |
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Of course. The pic Vic pointed out is relevant. We're talking about that statement right here. |
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| + Pyrus | Jul 20 2014, 07:19 PM Post #251 |
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![]() Viz vol.17, pg.47 Piccolo: "...Looks like I'll have to my turn in the Room of Spirit and Time..." That was after Cell has told Trunks the plan for the Cell Games. Sweating, gritting his teeth, clearly nervous at the thought of going up against such a monster in Cell, even with the BBQ Pit to help him achieve a power-up -- he didn't want to have to resort to that measure. He obviously thought Cell was a huge deal, and at that point he had no clue Cell was holding back power. ![]() Viz vol.17, pg.48 Vegeta: "We don't need you or Goku. I only need the room for one more day. Cell will regret giving me more time." On the other hand, Vegeta was elated at the chance to go back in and fight Cell again and believed he could overcome their apparent immense power discrepancy in only one day, before learning of the "right way" to train from observing Goku and Gohan's post-RoSaT status. SSjG2 Vegeta (hypothetical 2nd BBQ) > Cell >>> SSjG2 Vegeta (1st BBQ) ![]() ![]() Viz vol.17, pg.63-64 Bulma: "...Going somewhere, Vegeta? Training? Vegeta: "What else? I'm going inside that room again. I don't care how many earthlings die -- but I can't sit still until I kill that thing." Trunks: "I'm going too!" More confidence from Vegeta, this time without the cocky smile and more of a down to business approach. Trunks jumped in then as well, maybe not with as much confidence but he was going to at least give it his all. At this point, it didn't look like Piccolo has much hope in catching up to Cell, while Vegeta did. Piccolo had a lot further to go than Vegeta, but nonetheless. ![]() ![]() Chapter: 390 (DBZ 196), P13.5-6, P14.1-3 Context: After Goku checks out perfect Cell's power Goku: “…Frankly, I didn’t think he would get so incredible…I don’t have any idea just how strong he could get if he felt like it…I won’t know unless I try, but I think I probably can’t win the way I am now.” Viz vol.17, pg.78-79 Trunks: "Goku, wh-what did you think?!" Goku: "...Frankly, I didn't think it would get that much stronger. No way of knowing how powerful it'll be when it finally gets down to business. I won't really know until I try...But as I am now I probably don't have a chance." Vegeta: "..." Trunks: "It's...that powerful? ...I was afraid of that..." I included the Viz version since it seemed pertinent and wasn't in Herms' SC. Trunks and company seemed to be going off the motto of Goku being the be-all-end-all savior, assuming he was the strongest around despite him being in a completely natural, rested state that shouldn't have been impressive at all. To Trunks, Goku was already a lot stronger, and then his fears were confirmed when Goku admitted inferiority to Cell, so he had to have already had some semblance of thinking Cell was holding back. ![]() ![]() Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P1.3-4, P2.1-4 Context: talking about the Room of Spirit and Time Vegeta: “Well, well…So even the great Kakarot admits defeat against the rigors of that room…” Goku: “Maybe…But pointlessly toughening up my body more than this is just torture, not training. But I won’t object if you guys enter that room again. It looks like you still have room left to toughen up more.” Vegeta: “What was that…? I don’t like that…The way you said that made it sound like you’re saying that your true ability is greater than mine…” Goku: “Yeah, a whole lot greater, I think.” Up until that exchange, Vegeta still believed himself to be stronger than Goku. He wasn't buying into the hype. ![]() Viz vol.17, pg.85 Korin: "...You're certainly calm, considering that. I suspect you made some valuable discovery in the Room of Spirit and Time." Goku: "Heh heh heh. Sort of." Gohan (to self): "What...?! Is he serious...? ...But I was with him the whole time..." Goku: "Master Karin, you've got a pretty good idea how strong Cell is by watching from here, right?" Korin: "Mm-hmm. He hasn't shown his true powers, but I have a sense." Goku: "Can you compare us? I'm gonna rev up right now." That was after Goku commented on Cell being an incredible, perfect fighter. Coupled with his comments and Goku's tone of respect for Cell, Korin likely assumed Goku was weaker, which was later confirmed when Goku powered up to about half. Korin assumed Goku had some kind of plan to beat Cell despite being weaker -- a perfectly logical train of thought. ![]() Viz vol.17, pg.86 Vegeta (to self): "...Kakarrot has a strategy..." Directly after the conversation about mastering Super Saiyan, Vegeta automatically assumed Goku had a strategy. He didn't think Goku was holding back on them in regards to his attitude about power. Everybody had a hunch that Cell was holding back power, and that Goku "probably" couldn't beat him while he himself was stronger than everyone else (in their eyes). If we're still counting Grade 2, we'd come up with something like this IMO: Cell (Z-Fighters' estimation) > Goku (Z-Fighters' estimation) >>> SSjG2 Vegeta >~ SSjG2 Trunks >>> Piccolo >>> Earthlings In Goku's mind, it'd just be a lot more spaced out since he knew he was holding back about half of his full power, and Cell was "a bit" stronger than that. ![]() Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5 Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go into the Room of Spirit and Time?” Piccolo: “Indeed.” Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.” Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even so, it won’t do any good against Cell…” Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.” The big flush! At this point everyone has felt half of Goku's power, and they have no reason to assume it isn't his full power. But man, oh man, Piccolo's acting like a little b*** here. Goku Pitt: "Piccolina! Did you lose weight?" Piccolina: "Mhmm." Goku Pitt: "I can tell! You're like a whole new person." Piccolina: "Why don't you just spit it out already? I'm skinnier but I'm still not skinny enough to compete in the swimsuit competition..." Goku Pitt: "...Yeah, you're right. Sorry." Same thing essentially. I can see how it could be interpreted both ways. On one side, you could have Piccolo simply not wanting to be patronized. On the other, you could see a glimmer of hope in Piccolo's mannerism, like "I did all this for you but it's still not good enough, is it? :(" Tough road to travel on when there are always two lanes. If you follow the former, then Piccolo doesn't need to be anywhere close to 50% MSSj Goku. If you follow the latter, then he does have to be at least on par with that power in order to be considering his chances against Cell, and then hearing the news that he's still garbage sends him (and Trunks) into a catatonic diarrhea binge; Goku and Cell, but mostly Cell, had just jumped up three notches on the ladder. Oh, and by the way, Goku was already on his way to ask Piccolo to split back into two people before he even knew the guy had gone into the BBQ Pit, in order to revive the people Cell killed at the ring. He didn't think Piccolo would get strong enough to matter anyway, that a*****! ![]() Viz vol.17, pg.128 Gohan: "He won't tell me either. He just told me to look forward to it." Trunks: "Look...forward..." Krillin: "But if he wants you to look forward to it -- he must have a plan." Piccolo: "...Or he's just being fatalistic." Everyone: "..." Only Trunks asking about why Goku is so confident is in the SC, but the rest of the conversation is just as important here. Krillin's line is pertinent here because he had the low-down on the whole thing as well, and he believed Goku was harboring a plan of action, not more power. Piccolo may or may have been sarcastic in his answer there, but if he wasn't, then he was thinking Goku was just a suicidal fool. Korin, Vegeta, and now Krillin had all considered Goku's ace in the hole to be a plan and not power. ![]() Chapter: 394 (DBZ 200), P10.2-4 Context: on the day of the Cell Games. Goku: “It’s finally time. Huh? Where’s Vegeta?” Piccolo: “He went on ahead…” Goku: “Oh-ho. Rarin’ to go, huh? He must’ve gotten a lot better.” The obligatory implication of Vegeta's superiority over what he assumed was Cell's full power, which was inherently above Goku's. Eh, f*** it, this is too long already. You can finish the rest if you want. s***, 5% is already too taxing... |
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Jul 20 2014, 07:20 PM Post #252 |
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Piccolo isn't on par with Vegeta but he's stronger than 50% Goku. |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 20 2014, 07:20 PM Post #253 |
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When'd I say the pic wasn't relevant, child? You know how many times I've used it, fool? At least 231. Edit : KP what the f***. Why so serious? Edited by Kyouks, Jul 20 2014, 07:21 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 20 2014, 07:21 PM Post #254 |
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I don't have the quote, don't see it in the Strength Checker. It doesn't matter when it was said, the meaning doesn't change. |
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Jul 20 2014, 07:24 PM Post #255 |
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Quite a destructive post KP, about time you've shown your true power. |
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