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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,115 Views)
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I think something people are totally missing is that Piccolo says his power won't do any good. I think it should be apparent to anyone he'd lose, but to say his power is complete trash is probably what caught Trunks by surprise more so than his power being weaker than Cell's.
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Kyouks, your fanboys say you're on me and P's level....lol what nonsense.
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Well done, you've come to the conclusion that Piccolo > Tired MSSJ Goku. Now, good luck proving he was above 50% Goku.


Well done for being non perceptive to the point as well. I personally don't have tired Goku over 50% Goku either. There should be a huge difference between he and Kamiccolo IMO.

The humans were instantly put down, eating dirt.

Tired MSSJ Goku was instantly put down, eating dirt.

Kamiccolo was not, he was standing holding is own there with Vegeta and Future Trunks.


So why was tired Goku put down? Because can CAN be put down.

You're the one saying that Kamiccolo CAN be put down but for some reason The Cell Juniors chose not to put him down.


An 80 most certainly CAN put a 35-40 down instantly...hell an 80 can put a 55 down instantly.

If Piccolo was that close to Trunks and Vegeta, Cell would've said something. So you're going to have to explain why Piccolo was left out. Oh, and also, we didn't see Piccolo land a single hit on the Cell Kid he was fighting, in fact, we didn't see anything at all. All that title page tells me is that Piccolo's quite durable. It shows that he's on an entirely other level compared to the humans, but still not strong enough to put up a notable fight like the Saiyans.
Well Cell didnt say ONLY Vegeta and Future Trunks are barely fighting evenly, he just said "Vegeta and Future Trunks are barely fighting evenly".

However I do take that to mean they are above him...that still doesnt debunk the idea that Kamiccolo couldnt go down, unlike the humans and tired Goku.

Anyway, it's a straw man to imply i'm saying Kamiccolo can fight evenly with them..he just wont go down. And I'm sorry but a 35-40 is instanlty gonna be put down by an 80. KKx2 instantly puts down Nappa, Goku @ 2x Vegeta instantly put down the Ginyus.

So, let me get this straight. Vegeta is around 70/75 and Trunks is around 65/70, yes? You said 50 /55 would be stomped as easily as 35/40. Where do you put Piccolo exactly? 60/65 would be too close to the Saiyans, but if he was any weaker than that, he wouldn't be able to stand up to a Cell Kid, right? Oh dear, what a conundrum. It could be solved by the Cell Kid toying with him at 50/55, but if you were to argue that, then one could just as easily argue that the Cell Kid was toying with him at 35/40. Oh my.
I said 55 would get one shotted by 80.

Well based on Cell's comment you need to have Vegeta and Future Trunks rival a Cell Junior. If a Cell Junior is 80 Future Trunks needs to be at least 72 in order to rival a Cell Junior. That's 90%

So

Cell Junior : 80
Vegeta : 75
Future Trunks : 72
Kamicolo : 64

Sounds about right to me. Kamiccolo being a 64 would mean he doesnt quite rival Future Trunks...yet isnt insta Knock down material for a Cell Junior. I think Kamiccolo can rival Vegeta and Trunks, just not a Cell Juniors based on Cell's comment though..so you could even bump Kamicolo up a little more.

55 is way too low there if Cell Junior is 80.

So, the Cell Kid is going all out against Piccolo. We don't see the fight or the Cell Kid he's fighting, and the lack of acknowledgement of Piccolo combined with the off-panel fight indicates that Piccolo's fight wasn't important enough to be shown. Him putting up a decent fight would be important.

@Vic - Yeah, it's an insult to Kyooks.
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It won't do any good in what sense. This is Piccolo talking about Piccolo vs Cell right? One on one no help right?
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Kyouks, your fanboys say you're on me and P's level....lol what nonsense.
you are right, he is better than you & p123 :)
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No one can touch p1000 though. My true power is too much for any of you to handle.
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I'm no mod, but this "better debater" banter is quite sad.
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We do ratings for characters all the time once in a while doing it about ourselves is refreshing. My power level is far higher than yours na na na ner na ner
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You don't realise it, Prince. We all have to talk about who's the better debater because we're all really unsure of our abilities.
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According to Herms' translation, Cell says that Trunks and Vegeta are "fighting evenly" with the Cell Juniors. Piccolo doesn't have to be quite on their level to at least put up a decent fight and not get easily taken down.
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Let's get back on topic. I really don't want to close this. I'm learning so much right now.
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Jul 20 2014, 06:49 PM
Kyouks, your fanboys say you're on me and P's level....lol what nonsense.
What level? I don't play MMOs, nerd.

I've yet to get an answer to my question, sir. What's so appealing about sour cucumbers?
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Well done, you've come to the conclusion that Piccolo > Tired MSSJ Goku. Now, good luck proving he was above 50% Goku.


Well done for being non perceptive to the point as well. I personally don't have tired Goku over 50% Goku either. There should be a huge difference between he and Kamiccolo IMO.

The humans were instantly put down, eating dirt.

Tired MSSJ Goku was instantly put down, eating dirt.

Kamiccolo was not, he was standing holding is own there with Vegeta and Future Trunks.


So why was tired Goku put down? Because can CAN be put down.

You're the one saying that Kamiccolo CAN be put down but for some reason The Cell Juniors chose not to put him down.


An 80 most certainly CAN put a 35-40 down instantly...hell an 80 can put a 55 down instantly.

If Piccolo was that close to Trunks and Vegeta, Cell would've said something. So you're going to have to explain why Piccolo was left out. Oh, and also, we didn't see Piccolo land a single hit on the Cell Kid he was fighting, in fact, we didn't see anything at all. All that title page tells me is that Piccolo's quite durable. It shows that he's on an entirely other level compared to the humans, but still not strong enough to put up a notable fight like the Saiyans.
Well Cell didnt say ONLY Vegeta and Future Trunks are barely fighting evenly, he just said "Vegeta and Future Trunks are barely fighting evenly".

However I do take that to mean they are above him...that still doesnt debunk the idea that Kamiccolo couldnt go down, unlike the humans and tired Goku.

Anyway, it's a straw man to imply i'm saying Kamiccolo can fight evenly with them..he just wont go down. And I'm sorry but a 35-40 is instanlty gonna be put down by an 80. KKx2 instantly puts down Nappa, Goku @ 2x Vegeta instantly put down the Ginyus.

So, let me get this straight. Vegeta is around 70/75 and Trunks is around 65/70, yes? You said 50 /55 would be stomped as easily as 35/40. Where do you put Piccolo exactly? 60/65 would be too close to the Saiyans, but if he was any weaker than that, he wouldn't be able to stand up to a Cell Kid, right? Oh dear, what a conundrum. It could be solved by the Cell Kid toying with him at 50/55, but if you were to argue that, then one could just as easily argue that the Cell Kid was toying with him at 35/40. Oh my.
I said 55 would get one shotted by 80.

Well based on Cell's comment you need to have Vegeta and Future Trunks rival a Cell Junior. If a Cell Junior is 80 Future Trunks needs to be at least 72 in order to rival a Cell Junior. That's 90%

So

Cell Junior : 80
Vegeta : 75
Future Trunks : 72
Kamicolo : 64

Sounds about right to me. Kamiccolo being a 64 would mean he doesnt quite rival Future Trunks...yet isnt insta Knock down material for a Cell Junior. I think Kamiccolo can rival Vegeta and Trunks, just not a Cell Juniors based on Cell's comment though..so you could even bump Kamicolo up a little more.

55 is way too low there if Cell Junior is 80.

So, the Cell Kid is going all out against Piccolo. We don't see the fight or the Cell Kid he's fighting, and the lack of acknowledgement of Piccolo combined with the off-panel fight indicates that Piccolo's fight wasn't important enough to be shown. Him putting up a decent fight would be important.

@Vic - Yeah, it's an insult to Kyooks.
We don't see the fight between they and much of anyone. We see just as much of Kamiccolo as we do Vegeta or Future Trunks for instance. But we do have that title scan with Kamiccolo standing up while Goku and the humans can't even move.....as well as when Gohan goes SSJ2 Kamicolo is still standing and Goku and the humans are not.

We've already agreed that they put down what they can put down, right?

And that's why the humans and tired MSSJ Goku are eating dirt.

Your toying argument holds no consistency, that's the problem. If Kamiccolo can be put down he would have been put down.

The only way your argument works is if we apply a different set of rules for Kamiccolo than everyone else.

Future Trunk and Vegeta : Cell Juniors can't put them down and for that reason didn't put them down.
The humans : Cell Juniors can put them down and did put him down
Kamiccolo : Cell Juniors can put him down and didnt put him down? :o Why?

Now I just don't think that's very fair
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According to Herms' translation, Cell says that Trunks and Vegeta are "fighting evenly" with the Cell Juniors. Piccolo doesn't have to be quite on their level to at least put up a decent fight and not get easily taken down.

Yes. But we have Herms translating "Ya" which doesn't refer only Vegeta and Trunks, but it could also be Piccolo for all we know.
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Kaboom's trying to point out that Pic can still be relevant, Alex >_>
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