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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,116 Views)
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p123
Jul 20 2014, 06:29 PM
If he didn't ask why would Goku answer in a response to his question?
Goku is simply agreeing that Piccolo is trash.
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Why isn't Piccolo a fruit?
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He is. Which is shocking to Trunks and disheartening to Piccolo.

What level would be considered shocking to be useless? Hmm I'd say about 50% Goku eh?
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Jul 20 2014, 06:30 PM
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Jul 20 2014, 06:11 PM
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Well done, you've come to the conclusion that Piccolo > Tired MSSJ Goku. Now, good luck proving he was above 50% Goku.


Well done for being non perceptive to the point as well. I personally don't have tired Goku over 50% Goku either. There should be a huge difference between he and Kamiccolo IMO.

The humans were instantly put down, eating dirt.

Tired MSSJ Goku was instantly put down, eating dirt.

Kamiccolo was not, he was standing holding is own there with Vegeta and Future Trunks.


So why was tired Goku put down? Because can CAN be put down.

You're the one saying that Kamiccolo CAN be put down but for some reason The Cell Juniors chose not to put him down.


An 80 most certainly CAN put a 35-40 down instantly...hell an 80 can put a 55 down instantly.

If Piccolo was that close to Trunks and Vegeta, Cell would've said something. So you're going to have to explain why Piccolo was left out. Oh, and also, we didn't see Piccolo land a single hit on the Cell Kid he was fighting, in fact, we didn't see anything at all. All that title page tells me is that Piccolo's quite durable. It shows that he's on an entirely other level compared to the humans, but still not strong enough to put up a notable fight like the Saiyans.
Well Cell didnt say ONLY Vegeta and Future Trunks are barely fighting evenly, he just said "Vegeta and Future Trunks are barely fighting evenly".

However I do take that to mean they are above him...that still doesnt debunk the idea that Kamiccolo couldnt go down, unlike the humans and tired Goku.

Anyway, it's a straw man to imply i'm saying Kamiccolo can fight evenly with them..he just wont go down. And I'm sorry but a 35-40 is instanlty gonna be put down by an 80. KKx2 instantly puts down Nappa, Goku @ 2x Vegeta instantly put down the Ginyus.

So, let me get this straight. Vegeta is around 70/75 and Trunks is around 65/70, yes? You said 50 /55 would be stomped as easily as 35/40. Where do you put Piccolo exactly? 60/65 would be too close to the Saiyans, but if he was any weaker than that, he wouldn't be able to stand up to a Cell Kid, right? Oh dear, what a conundrum. It could be solved by the Cell Kid toying with him at 50/55, but if you were to argue that, then one could just as easily argue that the Cell Kid was toying with him at 35/40. Oh my.
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Jul 20 2014, 06:24 PM
Piccolo would have never asked unless he surpassed Ssjg3 Trunks.
Piccolo was comparing himself to Cell he was sensing at the moment.
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Yeah, Piccolo didn't ask at all:
Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5
Goku: "Hey... Piccolo! Did you go into the Room of Spirit and Time?"
Piccolo: "Indeed."
Goku: "I can tell! You've risen to an entirely different level."
Piccolo: "...Why don't you just be frank with me? I've grown stronger, but even so, it won't do any good against Cell..."
Goku: "...Yeah, it won't do any good."
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What the f*** is a Cell kid, anyway? Cell reproduced asexually, so why aren't the Cell kids genetically identical?

Someone with scientific knowledge inform me of the genius of Gero and the secret of life.
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Piccolo already knows

FP Cell >>> Base Cell

Piccolo is asking how he compares against Cell's FP.

Its shocking because Cell is much stronger than Trunks and Piccolo imagined.
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So what kind of level does Goku assume Piccolo is on?
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Around 50% of his own power.
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p, you've not convinced me. And give Vic his account back. We know he disagrees too.
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Please tell me why Trunks and Piccolo are sweating and nervous as Piccolos asks the question. Tell me why Piccolo feels foolish. And tell me why Piccolo wouldn't be able to understand he's nothing if he's so weak.
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Trunks just might be nervous, maybe, because of that guy Cell that just kicked his a***, not to mention hes a paranoid guy anyway. Maybe Piccolo's sweating cause he just finished training too.
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Jul 20 2014, 06:33 PM
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Well done, you've come to the conclusion that Piccolo > Tired MSSJ Goku. Now, good luck proving he was above 50% Goku.


Well done for being non perceptive to the point as well. I personally don't have tired Goku over 50% Goku either. There should be a huge difference between he and Kamiccolo IMO.

The humans were instantly put down, eating dirt.

Tired MSSJ Goku was instantly put down, eating dirt.

Kamiccolo was not, he was standing holding is own there with Vegeta and Future Trunks.


So why was tired Goku put down? Because can CAN be put down.

You're the one saying that Kamiccolo CAN be put down but for some reason The Cell Juniors chose not to put him down.


An 80 most certainly CAN put a 35-40 down instantly...hell an 80 can put a 55 down instantly.

If Piccolo was that close to Trunks and Vegeta, Cell would've said something. So you're going to have to explain why Piccolo was left out. Oh, and also, we didn't see Piccolo land a single hit on the Cell Kid he was fighting, in fact, we didn't see anything at all. All that title page tells me is that Piccolo's quite durable. It shows that he's on an entirely other level compared to the humans, but still not strong enough to put up a notable fight like the Saiyans.
Well Cell didnt say ONLY Vegeta and Future Trunks are barely fighting evenly, he just said "Vegeta and Future Trunks are barely fighting evenly".

However I do take that to mean they are above him...that still doesnt debunk the idea that Kamiccolo couldnt go down, unlike the humans and tired Goku.

Anyway, it's a straw man to imply i'm saying Kamiccolo can fight evenly with them..he just wont go down. And I'm sorry but a 35-40 is instanlty gonna be put down by an 80. KKx2 instantly puts down Nappa, Goku @ 2x Vegeta instantly put down the Ginyus.

So, let me get this straight. Vegeta is around 70/75 and Trunks is around 65/70, yes? You said 50 /55 would be stomped as easily as 35/40. Where do you put Piccolo exactly? 60/65 would be too close to the Saiyans, but if he was any weaker than that, he wouldn't be able to stand up to a Cell Kid, right? Oh dear, what a conundrum. It could be solved by the Cell Kid toying with him at 50/55, but if you were to argue that, then one could just as easily argue that the Cell Kid was toying with him at 35/40. Oh my.
I said 55 would get one shotted by 80.

Well based on Cell's comment you need to have Vegeta and Future Trunks rival a Cell Junior. If a Cell Junior is 80 Future Trunks needs to be at least 72 in order to rival a Cell Junior. That's 90%

So

Cell Junior : 80
Vegeta : 75
Future Trunks : 72
Kamicolo : 64

Sounds about right to me. Kamiccolo being a 64 would mean he doesnt quite rival Future Trunks...yet isnt insta Knock down material for a Cell Junior. I think Kamiccolo can rival Vegeta and Trunks, just not a Cell Juniors based on Cell's comment though..so you could even bump Kamicolo up a little more.

55 is way too low there if Cell Junior is 80.

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Piccolo had just been training. Trunks has been nervous the whole time because Goku said "I'm poop and Cell's a scooper." Sweat argument is feces.
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