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The Nameless Namek's placement at Cell Games
Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 03:32 AM (16,121 Views)
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Goku > Trunks
Cell > Goku

Where does Trunks' reaction to Piccolo's power come into play?
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I'm not sure Trunks ever hinted he knew Goku had more power than he showed to Korin. Only Vegeta showed any doubt that it wasn't Goku's full power. Trunks might have thought Goku was optimistic due to the fact he was hiding more power, but he may have just thought Goku had some brand new technique. All Trunks knows for sure is Goku is optimistic about beating Cell despite Goku saying he's weaker.
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Before Goku and Piccolo's conversation. Trunks thinks...


Cell FP > 50% Goku = Goku's FP


After Goku and Piccolo's conversation Trunks thinks


Cell FP > Goku FP >> 50% Goku


Which is why even though he surpassed 50% Goku, he has absolutely no confidence in his power and thinks he has no chance against Cell.
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I have Piccolo 85-90% of Max Vegeta
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p123
Jul 20 2014, 04:39 PM
Before Goku and Piccolo's conversation. Trunks thinks...


Cell FP > 50% Goku = Goku's FP


After Goku and Piccolo's conversation Trunks thinks


Cell FP > Goku FP >> 50% Goku


Which is why even though he surpassed 50% Goku, he has absolutely no confidence in his power and thinks he has no chance against Cell.
Nah, nah, nah. If we assume that Piccolo doesn't know, then the entire meaning of the conversation completely changes from your personal interpretation.
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Jul 20 2014, 04:33 PM
So the Saiyans have much larger potential than Super Nameks.
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Why is Trunks still putting his faith on Goku after he knew that Cell >>> MSSJ 50% Goku. Whats his plan ?

Why is Trunks expecting Piccolo to amount to anything if he already knows an even stronger Goku is weaker than an even stronger Cell?

Isn't that Trunks knew Goku had more in his sleeve after the conversation?
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Piccolo's got some hope he can be relevant to Cell's power after realizing Goku wasn't stroking as hard as he could, so he's at least surpassed 50% Goku, right?
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Isn't that Trunks knew Goku had more in his sleeve after the conversation?

No, Trunks isn't on the Lookout when that happens.
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Jul 20 2014, 04:30 PM
Definitely not. Piccolo is a Super Namek who's potential far surpasses a mere percentage point of the Saiyans potential.
W-what? You must be joking. Saiyajins have the highest potential in this series.
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Gohan- 10
Goku- 9
Vegeta-5
Trunks 4.5
Piccolo- 4

That's the condensed scale I have them on
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Jul 20 2014, 04:45 PM
p123
Jul 20 2014, 04:30 PM
Definitely not. Piccolo is a Super Namek who's potential far surpasses a mere percentage point of the Saiyans potential.
W-what? You must be joking. Saiyajins have the highest potential in this series.
He's saying Piccolo should surpass, say, 25% of Vegeta's power.
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Reread my post.


Saiyan Full Potential > Namek Full Potential.

Vegeta and Trunks aren't anywhere close to their full potential. If they were, they'd be somewhere around Goku. They aren't. The level Trunks and Vegeta reach is a bit past the Namek's full potential.


Goku, Gohan and Piccolo all trained properly. They all reached their full potential. Vegeta and Trunks trained improperly and failed to reach their full potential. Twice.
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p123
Jul 20 2014, 04:47 PM
Reread my post.


Saiyan Full Potential > Namek Full Potential.

Vegeta and Trunks aren't anywhere close to their full potential. If they were, they'd be somewhere around Goku. They aren't. The level Trunks and Vegeta reach is a bit past the Namek's full potential.


Goku, Gohan and Piccolo all trained properly. They all reached their full potential. Vegeta and Trunks trained improperly and failed to reach their full potential. Twice.
Oopsie, no.

Let's look at the Boo arc for a second. Vegeta claims that the gap in the Cell Games still existed.

Goku : 100
Vegeta : 80

If we assume that Goku reached his potential roof at the Cell Games, then it's possible that Vegeta did so too. The gap persisted through the Seven Years because both of them had hit their potential roofs. That's the best explanation for why the gap stayed pretty much exactly the same, no?
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Vegeta is talking about Goku surpassing him in general. The conversation isn't about the Cell Games. It's about Goku always having a lead on him and no matter what he does he can't change Goku's superiority.

It's not bad, I just don't agree with it.

I think Vegeta is 66% of Goku at the CG. No way would I go any higher. Clearly Vegeta and Trunks didn't do the same training as Goku and Gohan. If they did, they would have been MSSJ. I don't think they are.
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Jul 20 2014, 04:44 PM
Piccolo's got some hope he can be relevant to Cell's power after realizing Goku wasn't stroking as hard as he could, so he's at least surpassed 50% Goku, right?
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Isn't that Trunks knew Goku had more in his sleeve after the conversation?

No, Trunks isn't on the Lookout when that happens.

After he knew Goku was calm etc ? Why putting faith in him ?
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Chapter 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight a bit
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…"

I prefer to take that as a literal statement about the gap. After all, Vegeta was superior to Goku from the beginning of the Android Saga 'till Goku finished training in the RoSaT; the 'gap' didn't exist then.
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