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Goku with virus vs goku post yardrat
Topic Started: Jul 19 2014, 04:00 PM (1,597 Views)
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Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”
Note: Several people thought this quote was contradictory, due to how Piccolo says Goku is using almost his full power but should have much better power than that. To me though it seems pretty straightforward: Goku is using almost all the power he has in his current sick condition, but Piccolo realizes Goku's full power should be much more than that.

So was he weaker or stronger with the virus than he was on namek and/or post yardrat
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I'd say weaker. He's sick, so that's strike one right off the bat. Strike two is the fact that it's a heart condition, and as well all know the martial arts is as much cardio & condition, and to a lesser extent flexibility, if not more so than strength. Your heart is vital for that sort of thing. No heart, no muscle or lung functionaility, no nutrient rich blood to resupply, no nutrients means no energy, no energy means nothing to convert to ki. And no Ki means no Super Saiyan, no Kamehameha, no flight, no powers, no nothing. Mean's Goku IS weaker at that point. If he didn't have the heart virus he'd be operating at a much higher level, likely at the level we saw him fight Cooler at. But he's weakened, so fact is he'd likely be weaker than the healthy Yardrat Goku. Even if he is "Stronger" it wouldn't be for long.
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No one else wants to share their thoughts?
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Sick Goku stomps Yardrat Goku with ease.
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How do we know that though?
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Because Sick Goku isn't terribly irrelevant to Healthy Goku who has 3 years of training over Yardrat Goku.
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Yeah, Yamcha and Krillin have the same reaction to sick Goku as Tenshinhan IIRC, right?

So yeah sick Goku is stronger than Yardrat Goku.
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Goku trains 3 years. He should be superior compared to Yardrat Goku. Even if he became sick, I don't think he decreased to a level below Yardrat Goku.
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Jul 20 2014, 08:03 PM
Goku trains 3 years. He should be superior compared to Yardrat Goku. Even if he became sick, I don't think he decreased to a level below Yardrat Goku.
so jst coz he trained 4 3 years he is stronger in his sick state

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not dat i disagree with him being stronger but jst...
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Jul 20 2014, 08:55 PM
Alex ClownBoss
Jul 20 2014, 08:03 PM
Goku trains 3 years. He should be superior compared to Yardrat Goku. Even if he became sick, I don't think he decreased to a level below Yardrat Goku.
so jst coz he trained 4 3 years he is stronger in his sick state

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not dat i disagree with him being stronger but jst...

Well, you can have it this way:

Tenshinhan was surprised by SSJ Sick Goku's power, despite having witnessed Goku's SSJ power 3 years ago.

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So because yamcha, krillin, and tien, who saw yardrat goku and were still surprised, sick goku>post yardrat goku right? What if they were just mesmerized by goku kicking the androids a*** and didn't really pay attention to goku's power level? Tien says goku is "overwhelmingly pushing back" then piccolo mentions goku's power level is lower than it should be
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Goku never put out his full power when he came back from Yardrat. Nobody there knew his full power. Hence the humans surprise at sick Goku charging up. But Gohan and Picollo knew his real full power because they had been training with him for three years.

So I give it to Yardrat Goku. Perhaps he doesn't have the same max power but he's going to win in the end due to the heart virus acting like a second opponent.


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Jul 21 2014, 12:00 AM
So because yamcha, krillin, and tien, who saw yardrat goku and were still surprised, sick goku>post yardrat goku right? What if they were just mesmerized by goku kicking the androids a*** and didn't really pay attention to goku's power level? Tien says goku is "overwhelmingly pushing back" then piccolo mentions goku's power level is lower than it should be
Yes I know Piccolo mentions it's lower than it should be.

But that's the point, Piccolo and Gohan who trained with Goku say that...not the humans.

If he's weaker than Yardrat Goku then they should notice as well.
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Victorious
Jul 21 2014, 12:37 AM
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Jul 21 2014, 12:00 AM
So because yamcha, krillin, and tien, who saw yardrat goku and were still surprised, sick goku>post yardrat goku right? What if they were just mesmerized by goku kicking the androids a*** and didn't really pay attention to goku's power level? Tien says goku is "overwhelmingly pushing back" then piccolo mentions goku's power level is lower than it should be
Yes I know Piccolo mentions it's lower than it should be.

But that's the point, Piccolo and Gohan who trained with Goku say that...not the humans.

If he's weaker than Yardrat Goku then they should notice as well.
... So they're specifically going to say, when Goku came back from Yardrat three years ago he was much stronger than what we're seeing rigiht now?
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Jul 21 2014, 12:00 AM
So because yamcha, krillin, and tien, who saw yardrat goku and were still surprised, sick goku>post yardrat goku right? What if they were just mesmerized by goku kicking the androids a*** and didn't really pay attention to goku's power level? Tien says goku is "overwhelmingly pushing back" then piccolo mentions goku's power level is lower than it should be
Yes I know Piccolo mentions it's lower than it should be.

But that's the point, Piccolo and Gohan who trained with Goku say that...not the humans.

If he's weaker than Yardrat Goku then they should notice as well.
... So they're specifically going to say, when Goku came back from Yardrat three years ago he was much stronger than what we're seeing rigiht now?
Maybe not that, but they should say

"Hey, Goku should be stronger than this!"


That's basically what Piccolo said.
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