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*Spoiler* Do you think Goten and Trunks deserve the Super Saiyan ability?
Topic Started: Jul 19 2014, 02:03 PM (1,661 Views)
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SSJ lost it's grand appeal by then with all the upgraded Grade forms as well as SSJ2 so I don't see what the big problem is.
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Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans

Honestly, Toriyama belittled SSJ just so the Kid Saiyans could be relevant to the plot, i.e. Gotenks.

However, Gotenks could've unlocked SSJ from the immense anger of losing his brother, Gohan, and/or the rest of his family. SSJ remains relatively untarnished and it serves the plot better
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Well characters need to be relevant. So I get it. And with the thinking of how MSSJ is, it is ok by me. It was crazy at first for sure, but if you intended on having the kids become a factor in the series, they needed to be plot haxed. I'm ok with it.
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Just a note— the Super Saiyan legend was just that. A legend. The very fact Vegetables or Mirai Swimming Trunks got it defies the legend.
Gutenberg and Kid Panties is not that crazy.
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Think of it as how a Saiyan's entire outfit can change if they go Super Saiyan.

So....His shoes are Super Saiyan 4?

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Plot. That's the only reason they had it. I already didn't like Goten much, and him just being given it annoyed me. Gohan had to train to get to SSJ, and Goku had to go through a lot to get SSJ. Goten? Just handed to him and Trunks.

Doesn't fly well with me.
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Yeah, I was not a fan of them being handed SSjin after everyone else struggled for it.
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to become a true ssj you need to:
1. be strong (enough) in basic mode
2. have calm nature, even during battle and stressful situation where you need to push your limits to survive
3. be taken over in one instant moment completely by pure anger, hate and rage, become so angry you go berserk and will just kill and destroy anything near you.

that is what i understand by reading certain chapters in the manga.

gohan had always rare and extraordinary talent. he might not be a very good fighter but he has a huge amount of ki inside of him.

goten and trunks were born to 2 pure saiyans who already triggered it, so the ssj 'gene' is already unlocked in them BUT its not similar to other ssj. its weaker.
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Jul 19 2014, 11:06 PM
goten and trunks were born to 2 pure saiyans who already triggered it, so the ssj 'gene' is already unlocked in them BUT its not similar to other ssj. its weaker.
If that is the case I can accept it. It certainly doesn't appear to be as powerful as their fathers' forms. But if it were equally powerful and they didn't have to work as hard as everyone else I have a hard time with it. Like it was stated before, I thought true SSJ can only be achieved with the right motivation/need. Goku was motivated by Krillin, Future Trunks by Gohan, Vegeta by needing to be the best, and Gohan by needing to beat Cell.

Then again the further past the Cell Saga things progressed the more trouble I had accepting all the "alien" related power boosts. (i.e. The stronger the Saiyans became the more uncomfortable I was with the series as a whole.)
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Why was this thread a spoiler again ?
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Do we deserve the ability to travel internationally through the use of airplanes?

We are gifted with the byproducts of previous generations hard work.

Goten and Trunks are no different.
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What should've happened was Goten and Trunks learn Super Saiyan after Boo eats everyone at the lookout. That would've made for great development.
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Jul 20 2014, 12:56 AM
Why was this thread a spoiler again ?
The fact that Goten and Trunks became Super Saiyans. I did it just in case there is people on the forum that haven't watched all of Dragon Ball Z.
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SuperSaiyan1993
Jul 19 2014, 08:01 PM
Honestly, Toriyama belittled SSJ just so the Kid Saiyans could be relevant to the plot, i.e. Gotenks.

However, Gotenks could've unlocked SSJ from the immense anger of losing his brother, Gohan, and/or the rest of his family. SSJ remains relatively untarnished and it serves the plot better
Toriyama writes as he goes along. Ssj Kids had nothing to do with Gotenks
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It didin't matter to me. SSJ lost the cool factor once 17 and 18 showed up and fodderised Vegeta and Trunks. SSJ2 is spared because of Kid Gohan vs Cell and Goku vs Majin Vegeta and SSJ3 is my favorite form.

Then again Gogeta and Vegito also saved SSJ to me. As for Goten and Trunks I actually like the fact that Goku and Vegeta being ssjs when they were conceived makes them able to do it like second nature.
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Goten/Trunks transforming so early for seemingly no reason effectively made it a child's plaything, and it disgraced the achievements of those before them. Goku, Future Trunks, Gohan, Vegeta etc went through hell to transform, and they needed an extreme emotional reaction to the respective situations they were in at the time.

It also led to one of the worst things about the Z series in the Gotenks character. Take that away from the Buu Saga and you instantly have a much better viewing experience.
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