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22nd Budokai Breakdown
Topic Started: Jul 19 2014, 04:13 AM (3,050 Views)
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So let's see where the master plan ends up. I will say it like I said it on Neo when I sensed your trollery precense, but my ki sensing was off.

Reveal yourself! Tell me the master plan. ( It better be good for taking this long foo )
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Roshi's bulls*** about Goku maybe surpassing him at the Baba tournament may help solidify your whole "spectator" view regarding Roshi/Tien/Goku at the 22nd.
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Yea, generally the whole " Mah pozition " crap from Roshi is throwaway. Korin does it to. Complete throw aways. The only way to make sense of it is....


Goku ~ Roshi 21st Budokai, Roshi is considering his current position.

Korin and Roshi about Post Korin Goku is considering Post Korin Roshi.

22nd Budokai Roshi, is considering Current 22nd Roshi.

And then Roshi trolls them all and says, NAAAAA when I was younger I was even stronger than that!


It's a complete ridiculouness that set me down some ridiculous path with COH in which we started assumning all that nonsense was about Roshi's Buff power, or maybe he was holding back power the whole time or etc etc. What a headache.

Goku Post Korin >= Roshi Post Korin

Could be right.

And new info,

Korin probably ain't much stronger than that level. Clearly and obviously yet everyone tries to put Korin around Post Daimao beat down Goku, which logically doesn't make much sense considering Goku had to have enough speed to be in range to get Korin's jug o wata
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Karin can't hold back or summin?
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He is sweating brah, if he was holding back he wouldn't be sweating. Besides, the point of the exercise is to not allow them to get the water, not give them the water when they've reached 40% of his powa
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He's a cat, you ever see a cat's sweat? I call bs.

Thought the point was just to train Goku. Maybe it'd take too long if he used his full speed.
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Haha. But no. Just because Korin is sweating doesn't mean Goku is all that close. He's close enough though. Vegeta is sweating while Trunks is trying to land a hit on him.

Goku could still be weaker by a good deal.
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Meh I'll have to think about that more later, then.

Remember how Karin said he watches earth from time to time? Some ppl'd say that throws a wrench into Goku ~> Roshi post-Karin....whatchu think?
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Clearly it doesn't. Roshi is stronger than that at the 22nd Budokai and even that doesn't compare to his power when he was younger...



Roshi ( Peak Power ) > Goku ( 22nd Budokai ) >>= Roshi ( 22nd Budokai ) >>> Goku Post Korin >= Roshi Post Korin


All it suggests is that the highest power Korin has seen from Roshi is when he took that jug of water from him after three years of training. Roshi went on to get way stronger and fight Piccolo Daimao and Korin was just puttin sensus up his butt the whole time.
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Still this:

Kame-sennin: “Goku gets bigger and bigger each time I see him…I get the feeling that my position’s already vanished…”

I think you can see it as a final nail in the coffin for AT telling us that Goku > Jackie definitely in the series as it continues.

I'm not sure about Roshi being close to them. Chiautzu says Tien is going all out for the 1st time, it depends how far they are compared to Roshi. But I think :


Goku FP: 100
Tien FP: 98
Tien Battle use power: 93
Goku Match level: 92
Roshi FP 90
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p123
Jul 20 2014, 06:03 AM
Funny you should mention that.

I also have been leaning towards

Goku = Tien = Jackie.

I also am leaning towards Krillen = Yamcha = Chaozu.

In Dragonball, it seems like everyone is equal for a lot of fights and that the determining factor for who wins and looses is based purely on tenacity and determination.
I think Roshi is just slightly below Ten and Goku. I think he quit the battle to let the new generations shine.

Goku=Tenshinhan>=Roshi>>Yamcha>Krillen>Chaozu
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What suggested that Chaozu was weaker than Krillen?
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Still this:

Goku: “Knowing you, you won’t die even if I put out my full power, so it looks like I can go all out!”
Tenshinhan: “Don’t make me laugh. You’ve already been going all out.”
Goku: “Yeah, at my match-use power. [ ] But it looks like you’re trying to kill me, so I’ll go at it with my battle-use power too!”
Tenshinhan: “Battle-use…? So then, now you’ll start utilizing your true ability? Heh! That’s the first time I’ve heard such a worthless bluff!”
Note: “I’ll go at it with my battle-use power too” in the sense that Tenshinhan is also using his battle-use power (not that Tenshinhan thinks in those terms) since he’s trying to kill Goku. It doesn’t mean Goku is going to somehow use both his match and battle-use power simultaneously.
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p123
Jul 20 2014, 04:40 PM
What suggested that Chaozu was weaker than Krillen?
I think the only reason he was on his level was his psychic powers.
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Yeah Krillin was H2H better.
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