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22nd Budokai Breakdown
Topic Started: Jul 19 2014, 04:13 AM (3,054 Views)
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Krillin showed his prowess in fighting tactics when he fought Chaozu and even more so when he fought Goku. Krillin, at the very least, is miles above Chaozu.

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Unless you think Goku Match level ~ Tao Pai Pai


Tao doesn't have to be that strong to be above Chaozu or most of the Budokai fighters. Tao's power is held in high regard, but Crane's opinion is clearly biased.
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Chiautzu isn't a type fighter to go and fight H2H. He is far weaker than Krillin, but higher than Tao.

@Emmath: It is. Of course. Biased. Thats why his strength relevancy isn't noteworthy.
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Jul 19 2014, 07:00 PM
Chiautzu isn't a type fighter to go and fight H2H. He is far weaker than Krillin, but higher than Tao.

@Emmath: It is. Of course. Biased. Thats why his strength relevancy isn't noteworthy.
I don't think Chaozu could take Tao in a fight, regardless of what he did. Tao is probably around Krillin in strength.

But even Roshi says it's a strong feat. Relevancy to what he's seen at the tournament so far.
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Chaozu shocked Krillen with his speed and they fight evenly for a while until Krillen uses after image and Chaozu can't see him. Krillen lands a hit and begins pressing Chaozu back but Chaozu is still game.

Chaozu then goes on to burn a ton of ki doing all those Dodonpa blasts, Krillen counters with a weak KHH which weakens Chaozu. Then they fight hand to hand and Chaozu is weaker clearly but still in the game. He's still defending, still dodging. Then the telekenis starts.

Krillen punches Chaozu off guard and upchucks him. Does the same thing again and ring outs him.

Krillen says Yamcha is about the same as him and he had a really tough time with Chaozu.

Chaozu is at least rivaling Krillen, whereas Krillen may be able to one shot Tao Pai Pai at this time.
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Different opinions.

Chaozu was pushed to do Dodonpas quite easily, is what I'm getting at. Chaozu is in no way rivalling Krillin in pure power.
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Krillen vs Chaozu hand to hand was much closer than Cell vs Goku hand to hand. They are definitely rivals.

Krillen couldn't do much of anything to Chaozu until he had weakened him with the KHH and caught him off guard by confusing him with math questions.
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Chaozu had some good speed. And some decent defense. Caught Krillin off-guard with his unusual technique.

Chapter: 120, P6.2
Context: The fight between Kuririn and Chaozu has begun, and Kuririn is pushing Chaozu back.
Goku: “That’s it, Kuririn!! You’re pressing him!!”


Goku seems to believe Krillin had the upper-hand all the time.
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Why do you think Goku's comment has anything to do with the entirety of the match? Krillen was literally pressing him at the time. He was pressing him back towards the edge of the ring when Goku said that.

So Chaozu is about as fast as Krillen then you'd agree?
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Jul 19 2014, 07:17 PM
Why do you think Goku's comment has anything to do with the entirety of the match? Krillen was literally pressing him at the time. He was pressing him back towards the edge of the ring when Goku said that.

So Chaozu is about as fast as Krillen then you'd agree?
I wasn't talking about the whole match, I was talking about the beginning of the match. After Chaozu goes into rapid firing, Krillin pressing him is kinda irrelevant.

^ I'm gonna take this back. Goku's statement is said after Krillin catches Chaozu off-guard with an after-image attack. Although, I will say that Chaozu's unusual style caught Krillin off-guard, so there's that.

Yes, Chaozu is matching Krillin on speed and he's clearly better at chi control. Other than that, not including telekinesis, Krillin is superior.
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Yea I'm talking about the beginning too.

The way the fight begins look like Chaozu is a bit too fast for Krillen. He surprises Krillen and forces Krillen to use an after image. The after image sets up Krillens ability to press Chaozu back, who is blocking all of Krillen's punches.

In this segment here, it appears that Chaozu may have a slight lead on Krillen.

Either way, anyone who is a bit too fast for Krillen, would absolutely run circles around Tao Pai Pai at this point.
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How can you put Tao a Krillin and Yamcha level when the latter ones are above Grandpa Gohan? You think Tao > Grandpa Gohan? Thats impossible since the fact that Gohan was roughly on par with Goku. Krillin and Yamcha both surpassed the level of that.
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Jul 19 2014, 08:52 PM
Krillin and Yamcha both surpassed the level of that.
Really? Enlighten me.
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Krillen and Yamcha both think they have a shot at winning the Budokai. King Chappa is supposed to be a war with Goku.

King Chappa is at least as strong as Goku was against Gohan. This level of Goku easily handled Tao.
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Jul 19 2014, 08:53 PM
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Jul 19 2014, 08:52 PM
Krillin and Yamcha both surpassed the level of that.
Really? Enlighten me.

After witnessing how strong Goku was at Baba arc, you think they're going to be confident and win the tournament after training 3 years?
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Alex don't forget that Yamcha and Krillen don't really think Goku has improved in the three years.

So they are kind of expecting to be fighting Goku ( vs Gohan ).

King Chappa is the determining factor to showing the fruits of Goku's training.

So I think they are all expecting a slight increase for Goku and King Chappa is going to be super difficult. Something like this.



Goku ( vs King Chappa ) 600?
King Chappa 400
Goku ( Post 3 years estimate ) 375
Goku ( vs Gohan ) 350


After the fight Krillen says wow don't go all out you will wear yourself out. Goku says he wasn;t anywhere close to going all out.

My question is, how does Goku ( vs King Chappa ) vs Krillen turn out?
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