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Genki-Dama Weighs More Than a Planet?
Topic Started: Jul 18 2014, 01:46 PM (3,607 Views)
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Ssj3vegito96
Jul 19 2014, 09:51 PM
@itachi How is it different? Not saying you're wrong I'm just curious

Because energy is manifested in different way with Ki. They aren't rocket launchers. Toriyama hasn't thought of what's in 99% of the thread. The only reason this is even being brought up is bad writing.

If it was weight that was crushing Kid Buu then a few inches of soil wouldn't his prime choice for him. It was the force of the blast coming in his direction. And yeah, having the ability to push something which would make it's way through the planet is pretty impressive for physical strength. It's still not the same as bench pressing the planet which is what the OP sounds like.

Stark
Jul 19 2014, 09:56 PM
Just a question about the 40 tons thing. How strong was the gravity? Was it 10x? If that's the case, then he'd be struggling to lift 400 tons if he was on Earth.

I'm not sure it was Kaio's planet.

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Jul 19 2014, 09:56 PM
Just a question about the 40 tons thing. How strong was the gravity? Was it 10x? If that's the case, then he'd be struggling to lift 400 tons if he was on Earth.
It wasn't stated that the gravity was any higher than earths. Only king kais planet was stated to have 10x the earths gravity
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Jul 19 2014, 09:56 PM
Just a question about the 40 tons thing. How strong was the gravity? Was it 10x? If that's the case, then he'd be struggling to lift 400 tons if he was on Earth.


Nothing was said about the gravity, so it's safe to assume it equal to our on Earth (1G).
But this doesn't make the feat less impressive because Goku was wearing weighs in the exact simulation of a gravitational training, as I have pointed out before, along with oher mates like Havoc and TheAce.
Goku was shadowboxing wearing tons on his body, so he actually weighted 40000 + 70 kg while doing that, and that's the equivalent of a 572G training.
Also, Goku sustained this without using a drop of Ki if not for flying (even the 100G training before Namek was made by Goku without using his Ki, because these kind of trainings are done with the exact purpose to increase pure physical strength, while Ki is increased with meditation).

So, base Boo saga Goku (without Ki) is able to sustain a gravitational force up to 572 times bigger than the one on Earth and around 22 times bigger than the gravitational force of the Sun: that's physically insane if you ask me. ;)
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also key here is that hes not lifting
re read the manga if u have to or go through my other post
hes shadow boxing hes not lifting anything
its gravity training fyi :)
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Jul 19 2014, 10:15 PM
also key here is that hes not lifting
re read the manga if u have to or go through my other post
hes shadow boxing hes not lifting anything
its gravity training fyi :)
The type of training doesn't change the fact that he couldn't lift 40 tons. And no offense but "gravity training" is lol worthy conjecture.

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To be fair, he's sweating a lot during the training. He could've been at it for a long time for all we know
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ur not serious are u itachi
compare namek arc training to this one

and do u actually see him lift weights itachi?
all i see his him doing gravity training, those weight are weighing him down

if u can provide a scan where goku actually lifts weights to prove ur claim that would help
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Jul 19 2014, 09:56 PM
Just a question about the 40 tons thing. How strong was the gravity? Was it 10x? If that's the case, then he'd be struggling to lift 400 tons if he was on Earth.
It would still be 40 tons regardless of the gravity.
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Jul 19 2014, 10:36 PM
Stark
Jul 19 2014, 09:56 PM
Just a question about the 40 tons thing. How strong was the gravity? Was it 10x? If that's the case, then he'd be struggling to lift 400 tons if he was on Earth.
It would still be 40 tons regardless of the gravity.
If Goku put those weights on on Earth, he'd weigh 40 tons. If he then went to North Kaio's planet, which has 10x stronger gravity, he'd weigh 10x more - 400 tons.
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Jul 19 2014, 10:06 PM
Ssj3vegito96
Jul 19 2014, 09:51 PM
@itachi How is it different? Not saying you're wrong I'm just curious

Because energy is manifested in different way with Ki. They aren't rocket launchers. Toriyama hasn't thought of what's in 99% of the thread. The only reason this is even being brought up is bad writing.

If it was weight that was crushing Kid Buu then a few inches of soil wouldn't his prime choice for him. It was the force of the blast coming in his direction. And yeah, having the ability to push something which would make it's way through the planet is pretty impressive for physical strength. It's still not the same as bench pressing the planet which is what the OP sounds like.

Stark
Jul 19 2014, 09:56 PM
Just a question about the 40 tons thing. How strong was the gravity? Was it 10x? If that's the case, then he'd be struggling to lift 400 tons if he was on Earth.

I'm not sure it was Kaio's planet.
Pushing something that has the force to make its way through the planet means you should be able to lift more than 40 tons shouldn't you?
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Ssj3vegito96
Jul 20 2014, 02:41 AM
Pushing something that has the force to make its way through the planet means you should be able to lift more than 40 tons shouldn't you?
Dammit Havoc I thought we ended this thread with science! Well Vegito, yes and no. Being able to do that means you can EXERT a force greater than the force being applied. Again I refer back to Newton's first law of motion: "An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted on by an unbalanced force. In physics, traditionally there are two forces acting on the Spirit Bomb. The gathering Ki and of Goku himself holding it up, and the force of gravity of The Planet of The Kais pulling it down (Ok, so this is an instance where the Spirit Bomb may TECHNICALLY have a weight, because it's a massive object with the force of gravity on it, but let's not worry about that right now). When an unbalanced force acts upon it (Either gravity vs Goku or Goku's momentum vs Buu's momentum during their power struggle) then t would change direction and speed. The the case of Goku vs Buu, Buu was the force holding the bomb up and Goku's initial drop of the bomb lead Gravity to be the only force acting on it. In short, gravity dragged it down when Goku unbalanced the Force and Buu rebalanced it. So Goku's Super Saiyan blast added an extra force to the mix, unbalancing Buu's force and ultimately destroying the villian upon detonation.

A more Earthly example would be pushing a car. It doesn't nessicarily mean you can lift a two ton car, but you've added a force. At rest the road is pushing up on it, and gravity is pulling down on it. So a push from the side will force it to move (Specifically of it's in nueteral obviously.) so literally all that means is you have re ability to generate appropriate force, and this is in no way linked with what your max bench would be. So wether Goku can or can't lift more than 40 tons isn't calculable based on the Spirit bomb feat I'm afraid, so sorry mate. If anything I'd personally scale backwards from the mountain feat in the Frieza saga. That seems more feasible.
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Jul 19 2014, 10:33 PM
ur not serious are u itachi
compare namek arc training to this one

and do u actually see him lift weights itachi?
all i see his him doing gravity training, those weight are weighing him down

if u can provide a scan where goku actually lifts weights to prove ur claim that would help

Labeling it gravity training is just a way to not think about the situation. Goku clearly wasn't able to stay afloat with his ki. 40 tons was weighing him down. So with ONLY Ki he was unable to counteract the weight.

It'd seem through cognitive dissonance your friends have come up with pseudo-intelligence to block out the thought of him being dragged down by 40 tons.

Obviously not personal Havoc, we're CC bros.

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Jul 19 2014, 10:36 PM
Stark
Jul 19 2014, 09:56 PM
Just a question about the 40 tons thing. How strong was the gravity? Was it 10x? If that's the case, then he'd be struggling to lift 400 tons if he was on Earth.
It would still be 40 tons regardless of the gravity.


It would be actually. Weight is relative to the planet you're on. Only mass is independent.

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Jul 20 2014, 02:41 AM
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Jul 19 2014, 10:06 PM
Ssj3vegito96
Jul 19 2014, 09:51 PM
@itachi How is it different? Not saying you're wrong I'm just curious

Because energy is manifested in different way with Ki. They aren't rocket launchers. Toriyama hasn't thought of what's in 99% of the thread. The only reason this is even being brought up is bad writing.

If it was weight that was crushing Kid Buu then a few inches of soil wouldn't his prime choice for him. It was the force of the blast coming in his direction. And yeah, having the ability to push something which would make it's way through the planet is pretty impressive for physical strength. It's still not the same as bench pressing the planet which is what the OP sounds like.

Stark
Jul 19 2014, 09:56 PM
Just a question about the 40 tons thing. How strong was the gravity? Was it 10x? If that's the case, then he'd be struggling to lift 400 tons if he was on Earth.

I'm not sure it was Kaio's planet.
Pushing something that has the force to make its way through the planet means you should be able to lift more than 40 tons shouldn't you?


Well Goku was already pushing XX tons in DB. It'd seem it's a lot easier to push in DBZ then lifting. I can think of a few theories which would explain things like their massive durability. Perhaps they inject ki outwards into the object they're pushing or something along those lines.

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my friends? who are these other guys here lol
ofc bros till the end

i agree the weight is weighing him down
i agree on this since the start
but maybe not exactly like gravity training but similar imo
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Well, he was probably tired, not using any ki besides Bukujutsu, which was probably putting sole strain on him, and he was shadow boxing. So, the weights were basically like weighted clothing. So it wasn't really lifting, so the 40 tons frat isn't a valid showing of how much he can lift.
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Well Goku was already pushing XX tons in DB. It'd seem it's a lot easier to push in DBZ then lifting. I can think of a few theories which would explain things like their massive durability. Perhaps they inject ki outwards into the object they're pushing or something along those lines
.so you're saying they can't lift the weight of a planet but they can push it?
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