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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 18 2014, 02:43 PM Post #16 |
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I won't disagree with you on your first point, but there's plenty of third world countries who get monetary aid from the US every year. Pakistan was getting almost a couple hundred million per year, but then were cut off when the US found Osama Bin Laden there. Pakistan raged and started burning American flags in the streets; something that pissed a lot of Americans off. To be entirely honest, most average US citizens don't even know what countries our government is monetarily supporting. Most of us don't even find out about it until after the funding is cut off. Monetarily, the US helps more countries than any other government in the world, but the US is still perceived as a**holes by these countries that they help. However, instead of cutting off funding, the US just keeps pouring more money at these people who hate us... but of course these people take it without complaining. Meanwhile you have people like me who are legal citizens in the US and are struggling to make ends meet. The government helps, but not much. They complain about the deficit and not having enough money to help with domestic problems, yet they literally piss away trillions of dollars on foreign countries every year that hate us and give nothing back. Einstein described insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". The US government by Einstein's logic, is insane. |
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| + Pelador | Jul 18 2014, 03:37 PM Post #17 |
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The deficit was caused by real estate companies being idiots and bankers gambling with the stock market using their own customers money. Plus the Euro currency failing in Europe which then effected interest rates globally. Not foreign aid which actually amounts to a comparatively small part of the total budget. Just Saiyan. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 18 2014, 05:33 PM Post #18 |
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You don't seem to be aware of how much foreign aid the US government gives out, and it's not only money. There's plenty of other ways the government spends money on foreign nations in the form of food and supplies. It's in the hundreds of billions on a global scale annually, while the US itself is over 14 trillion in debt domestically. 1 Trillion of this alone can be explained by the student deficit and the education system, while the remaining 13 is miscellaneous. Even if you were to cut the US's military in half, we'd still be over twice as large as the second largest military force in the world; which I believe is either England or Russia. That's how big the US's military force is, and it's because the government feels the need to get involved in everything... and helps everyone while taxing their own legal citizens who (on average) aren't bad off, but definitely don't get what they should from a government that's so interested in playing babysitter for the rest of the world. Illegal citizens not only get free education, but free healthcare as well; while legal citizens get stuck fronting the bill. Even though this is completely illegal, the healthcare fund for illegals is now starting to dip into the medicare fund, which is supposed to be reserved for handicapped and legal citizens over 50. As for your point about the real estate market, I won't deny that's part of the problem, but hardly a fraction. I know for a fact that banks were approving mortgages for customers that they knew couldn't pay them back, all because they could foreclose the houses, claim loss, and apply for government aid. However, most of the banks and firms that were doing this are no longer in business because the government found out what they were doing. The only bank I'm waiting for to go belly up is Bank of America, because they're one of the stingiest large banks right now in the US. They had over a 2 billion dollar loss in a single quarter, so in order to make up for the loss, they were thinking about charging their customers every time the customer swiped their own debit card, or even if they were simply checking their balance. |
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| + Pelador | Jul 18 2014, 05:45 PM Post #19 |
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 Look at that spike and the date it occurs at. Right when the real estates and the banks f***ed up big time. It wasn't because of welfare going to immigrants or foreign aid going to Pakistan and Isreal. That's been happening for decades prior. Probably as far back as Carter. The deficit was because personal greed, short sightedness and incompetence. This graph confirms that. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 18 2014, 06:44 PM Post #20 |
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Considering that we had a $2 trillion dollar surplus under Clinton kind of throws a monkey wrench into that data. We didn't start going into a deficit until Bush 2 (43). It was mostly because of the Iraq War, not anything domestic. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jul 18 2014, 06:48 PM.
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| + Pelador | Jul 18 2014, 07:16 PM Post #21 |
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This data was compiled from the Congressional Budget Office. It's pretty legit. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 18 2014, 09:25 PM Post #22 |
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I'm not saying it's not legit, it's just that this chart says nothing about the banks or real estate. All it gives is numbers of tax collection vs spending for the government, which has nothing to do with either real estate or banks. The US government has limited involvement with real estate and the operation of the banks. All the banks are independent corporate businesses, as are real estate agencies. The IRS is the department that collects taxes for government spending, and Congress regulates spending of the taxes collected. The US government spent over 13 trillion dollars on the war with Iraq and Afghanistan between 2001 and 2010. The bailouts for the banks and insurance companies in 2009 during the recession amounted to roughly another trillion dollars total. Some of whom used that money to give their CEOs bonuses and raises, and threw multi-million dollar company parties (the company AIG for example). Some of these companies used this money on their higher-ups, and didn't use the money on fixing their businesses. The lack of regulation of independent business is what has made it impossible for the average citizen to keep up with rising costs and prices. And yes, part of this is the banks, but they're only a fraction of what's going on. Another factor was scams like the one that happened with Bernie Madoff; who ran a firm and pissed away billions of dollars trust funds on his friends and himself. Numerous people were effectively broke because of this scam from him. He's currently in prison for his crimes. The dollar now isn't worth much, and was worth more back when Clinton was in office. The cost of producing a penny actually costs more than what it's worth. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jul 18 2014, 09:44 PM.
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| Mihawk | Jul 18 2014, 09:31 PM Post #23 |
 
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I remember reading the politics of health care has had patients pay for 6 figures just for syringe packets. It's crazy stuff really. Ironically enough the US government spends more on healthcare subsidies than any other country. I have a somewhat abstract understanding of the issue, but I don't think anyone here is qualified enough to give the in depth answer of why it happens. |
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| + Pelador | Jul 18 2014, 10:37 PM Post #24 |
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The truth is that nobody actually knows. Different hospitals and even different doctors at the same hospitals will charge different amounts for the same treatments and consultation lengths. There's no going rate. It's a complete mess. I'd like to say that they should create some kind of legislation or charter so that treatment costs are equal across the board but I have a sneaking suspicion that some lobbyists would stick their noses in there like they seem to do with any kind of change in the system. |
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| Sam | Jul 19 2014, 12:22 AM Post #25 |
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When I dislocated and fractured both of my shoulders, I didn't have health insurance because we were too poor. My shoulders are permanently damaged as a result. Obamacare was hugely significant in getting insurance. It forced Medicaid to accept me for free based on my own income and age. Everything is paid for now, from psych wards to emergency rooms to my monthly prescriptions. I understand a lot of people are critical of it but for me, it was huge. I had nothing. My prescriptions were up to $35 each. On $8,000 a year, that's nuts. |
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