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Goku's zenkais - en route of Namek
Topic Started: Jul 16 2014, 11:09 PM (1,902 Views)
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Jul 21 2014, 02:00 AM
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Jul 21 2014, 01:58 AM
Or discovered the details and specifics.


So he discovered zenkais by not getting them?
I said he discovered the specifics.

I don't think he just discovered zenkais now. It would make Goku pretty stupid since all the beatdowns he recieved in Dragon Ball.
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Jul 21 2014, 01:58 AM
Or discovered the details and specifics.


So he discovered zenkais by not getting them?
I said he discovered the specifics.

I don't think he just discovered zenkais now. It would make Goku pretty stupid since all the beatdowns he recieved in Dragon Ball.
Well, he certainly doesn't mention it until this point.
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Jul 21 2014, 01:58 AM
Or discovered the details and specifics.


So he discovered zenkais by not getting them?
I said he discovered the specifics.

I don't think he just discovered zenkais now. It would make Goku pretty stupid since all the beatdowns he recieved in Dragon Ball.
Well, he certainly doesn't mention it until this point.
Well if Krillin knows about Goku's own zenkais Goku himself should.
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Alright...
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“However, though this training is outrageous, perhaps Goku has somehow realized the Saiyan characteristic of their strength increasing when they overcome death…”
Now right here I can't see any interpretation other than "even though this training is crazy, Goku realized that he gets zenkais from it." The word "characteristic" is specifically referring to the "strength increasing when they overcome death" thing, and the "However, though this training is outrageous..." part is pretty clearly setting up a reason as to why going through said training is actually beneficial, imo (which is getting zenkais).

Meh, all I have to say, it's not particularly important.
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Victorious
Jul 21 2014, 01:58 AM
Or discovered the details and specifics.


So he discovered zenkais by not getting them?
I said he discovered the specifics.

I don't think he just discovered zenkais now. It would make Goku pretty stupid since all the beatdowns he recieved in Dragon Ball.
Well, he certainly doesn't mention it until this point.
Well if Krillin knows about Goku's own zenkais Goku himself should.
Didn't Krillin find out about them on Namek? Even so, Goku probably wasn't present so he wouldn't know.
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Jul 21 2014, 02:01 AM
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Victorious
Jul 21 2014, 01:58 AM
Or discovered the details and specifics.


So he discovered zenkais by not getting them?
I said he discovered the specifics.

I don't think he just discovered zenkais now. It would make Goku pretty stupid since all the beatdowns he recieved in Dragon Ball.
Well, he certainly doesn't mention it until this point.
Well if Krillin knows about Goku's own zenkais Goku himself should.
Didn't Krillin find out about them on Namek? Even so, Goku probably wasn't present so he wouldn't know.
On Namek he mentions Goku's power went up every time he had a tough battle and that's why Vegeta's power has increased.


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Vic are you serious? What else could "Saiyan characteristics" be referring to? The only special abilities that Saiyans have are Oozaru and Zenkais. Arguably higher durability too. So out of any of those, what is that statement talking about?
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Jul 21 2014, 02:01 AM
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Jul 21 2014, 02:00 AM
Victorious
Jul 21 2014, 01:58 AM
Or discovered the details and specifics.


So he discovered zenkais by not getting them?
I said he discovered the specifics.

I don't think he just discovered zenkais now. It would make Goku pretty stupid since all the beatdowns he recieved in Dragon Ball.
Well, he certainly doesn't mention it until this point.
Well if Krillin knows about Goku's own zenkais Goku himself should.
Didn't Krillin find out about them on Namek? Even so, Goku probably wasn't present so he wouldn't know.
On Namek he mentions Goku's power went up every time he had a tough battle and that's why Vegeta's power has increased.


So, Goku wasn't there, right?

He found out about zenkais on his,way to Namek, as Kyooks has shown.
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I said that characteristic could means a trait or detail.

Vegeta said they can't self inflict injuries and get zenkais.
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Jul 21 2014, 02:13 AM
I said that characteristic could means a trait or detail.

Vegeta said they can't self inflict injuries and get zenkais.
But the narrator seems to be implying the opposite and Cell's zenkai also seems to go against Vegeta's statement.
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So, Goku wasn't there, right?

He found out about zenkais on his,way to Namek, as Kyooks has shown.


Krillin noticed Goku's zenkais in Dragon Ball. How could Goku not be there for his own zenkais to be noticed?

YOu're saying that Krillin would notice Goku's zenkais and Goku wouldnt. I think that's stupid.
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Jul 21 2014, 02:14 AM
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Jul 21 2014, 02:13 AM
I said that characteristic could means a trait or detail.

Vegeta said they can't self inflict injuries and get zenkais.
But the narrator seems to be implying the opposite and Cell's zenkai also seems to go against Vegeta's statement.
Cell's zenkais don't work the same IMO.

Super Saiyans and Super Saiyan tiers don't seem to get them, but he gets them. I don't think the same rules apply to Cell.
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Jul 21 2014, 02:15 AM
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So, Goku wasn't there, right?

He found out about zenkais on his,way to Namek, as Kyooks has shown.


Krillin noticed Goku's zenkais in Dragon Ball. How could Goku not be there for his own zenkais to be noticed?

YOu're saying that Krillin would notice Goku's zenkais and Goku wouldnt. I think that's stupid.
Krillin connects the dots once he gets an explanation of what zenkais are. Goku trains and figures out what zenkais are by recovering from his wounds.

Goku was there to notice, but whenever he got a zenkais, something was going on. Krillin simply remembered the power jumps. Goku got them, but didn't understand them. He realizes on the ship that he gets a boost when he recovers from near-death.
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Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P12.1-2
Goku: “Vegeta, you defeat the other guy [Jheese]. You made a full recovery after almost dying, so your power should have greatly increased. He’s no longer an opponent you can’t beat…”
Vegeta: “Chih…So you knew, huh?”
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Jul 21 2014, 02:17 AM
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Jul 21 2014, 02:14 AM
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Jul 21 2014, 02:13 AM
I said that characteristic could means a trait or detail.

Vegeta said they can't self inflict injuries and get zenkais.
But the narrator seems to be implying the opposite and Cell's zenkai also seems to go against Vegeta's statement.
Cell's zenkais don't work the same IMO.

Super Saiyans and Super Saiyan tiers don't seem to get them, but he gets them. I don't think the same rules apply to Cell.
I don't really recall Super Saiyan tiers being capable of having zenkai because by the time their base (maybe) got in Super Saiyan tier they were already SSJs. Although his zenkais do work in an odd way.
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