SsjGod Goku vs New 52 Superman

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SsjGod Goku vs New 52 Superman
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 16 2014, 04:12 AM (2,815 Views)
Canis Latrans	Jul 16 2014, 04:12 AM Post #1
Godly Power Posts: 777 Group: Member Member #10,586 Joined: December 17, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball GT What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga DBZ	Who wins
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 16 2014, 06:36 AM Post #2
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	We don't know how fast goku is. We know new 52 superman can "dart from building to building at a speed that rivals lightning". Goku has instant transmission which is clearly really helpful in close combat against people who are much faster than him anyway. Either way, superman can't even scratch goku unless he uses heat vision. I haven't seen him hit that hard or tank anything impressive yet in my time reading new 52 comics. I don't think ssj god is even necessary. I would give it to goku Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 16 2014, 06:38 AM.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 16 2014, 06:19 PM Post #3
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I don't even consider New 52 Superman Freeza tier, let alone Ssj God tier.
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+ Solid Snake	Jul 16 2014, 07:01 PM Post #4
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Ssj3vegito96 Jul 16 2014, 06:36 AM We don't know how fast goku is. We know new 52 superman can "dart from building to building at a speed that rivals lightning". Goku has instant transmission which is clearly really helpful in close combat against people who are much faster than him anyway. Either way, superman can't even scratch goku unless he uses heat vision. I haven't seen him hit that hard or tank anything impressive yet in my time reading new 52 comics. I don't think ssj god is even necessary. I would give it to goku Brofist said to me to use actual statements or feats to decide DBZ's speed. So saying that, Goku EoDB is faster than lighting. after that their speed is vague. And if Superman is really that fast, then SSJG Goku is overkill. Saiyan saga Goku should be enough.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 16 2014, 07:40 PM Post #5
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	When was goku stated to be faster than lightning? That's only anime. Or are anime feats allowed here?
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jul 16 2014, 08:28 PM Post #6
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Ssj3vegito96 Jul 16 2014, 07:40 PM When was goku stated to be faster than lightning? That's only anime. Or are anime feats allowed here? BOG is only canon to the manga so stuff in the manga only applies. Not sure if dodging lightning was done in DB however. Actually, there is a panel in the manga in which Goku is training with Popo and Popo tells Goku to be "As calm as the sky, but as quick as lightning." As well as "You must empty your soul" Given the entire quote is simile and hyperbole I wouldn't take much credit into it. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jul 16 2014, 08:35 PM.
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TheACE	Jul 19 2014, 12:28 AM Post #7
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Actually this is a legit question. I think the most impressive thing New 52 has done is bench press a planet circa Saturn's size or something like that. His speed is variable but inferior to Goku, and I haven't read anything non kryptonite related where he tops out his durability. The real question is who can LAST longest in the fight at full power? Going by Battle of Gods (Which all of you TOTALLY mislead me on BYW, but that's a blog article for another day) I'd edge it out to Supes if Son can't speed blitz out a Kamehameha Wave combo. Assuming you can kill New 52 Supes and he doesn't do that Solar Recharge Coma bulls*it that All Star Superman does.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 23 2014, 03:45 PM Post #8
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Do you mean goku is faster than supes in raw speed or with instant transmission?
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TheACE	Jul 23 2014, 07:37 PM Post #9
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	If we're talking Z, New 52 edges him out a bit in raw speed, able to accelerate to speeds faster than light, but he usually does tend to try and keep it sub light so not to damage the planet. In space he'll rush at full speed. So in physical speed I'll give an edge to Superman since he can break light and Goku is sub-light (damn close I think, but a little off still) but Instant Transmission more than makes up for any gaps, since Goku can even fight while Instant Transmitting. That and new 52 can operate at full stregnth for something like 5 days (At least according to his bench-press feat where he couldn't recharge his energy.) So I think he'd last much longer in a fight than Battle of Gods Goku. He's not quite as invunerable as his All-Star, Prime and Post Crisis counter parts, so a good one-two MAY still take him out... assuming that Goku's Super Warp Kamehameha Wave is as deadly as Darkseid's Omega Beams. If so, Goku has the potency to knock out Superman. If not, then he'd actually be better off abandoning the Super Saiyan God form all together and trying to fight him as a Super Saiyan or Ascended Saiyan, where the time-limit and draw backs are friendlier for a long fight.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 23 2014, 08:40 PM Post #10
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	How is goku near lightspeed? Doesn't really matter since he can fight with instant transmission but I'm just curious as to why you think he's that fast
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TheACE	Jul 23 2014, 08:48 PM Post #11
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	The Gotenks' feat. I know, I know, it's hardly feasible... but there is little to no motion in it, and it handly puts Super Gotenks in an area around 17% - 25 % light speed. So sadly I have to use power scaling, but I can't seem to find any other reasonable speed feats that can do anything. Other than I suppose Gohan's max speed run to school... then power scaling based on his resistence training in the other world and the Super Saiyan multipliers.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 23 2014, 08:54 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	It took him 29 minutes to circle the planet I forget how many times then take a nap. We don't know exactly what happened though do we? He could've been flying for 24 minutes then took a 5 minute nap. That's not 17% of the speed of light Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 23 2014, 08:54 PM.
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TheACE	Jul 23 2014, 09:52 PM Post #13
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	No probably not. But the Earth wasn't spinning, implicating that he did it all in one shot. And knowing Gotenks, frankly he'd have to just doze off an assume he'd have enough time. Either way,the more consistent feat is Gohan, doing apparently 3000 km per hour to get to school. Assuming that Gohan is about the same speed at Goku (Although some instances implicate he's one of the faster Z-Fighters) at a base this leaves Gohan's speed at mach 2.44. If Goku's gravity training directly correlates, then you can further multiply that "max speed" by 486 and then the Daizenshuu multipliers for the SS forms and it puts us at 581,061,600 km/h, or 50% the speed of light in Goku's Super Saiyan Ascended Even Further Beyond (or SS3 for short) Now if we can't directly use the gravity feat, then I have to run back to the snake way feat. Which the fandom seems to agree took Goku about 28 hours or so to speed blitz in the air on the way back. This was after the Kai training. Now conservatively we can assume he trimmed a third of the million kilometer distance by flying over the curves and through the loops and over the straight aways, calling it a cool 666,667 km in about 28 hours. 666,667/28 = 23809 km/h max flight speed. His gravity training on the way to namek logically multiplied it by ten, as he was moving freely in 10 times the maximum gravity he was used to hands down. That puts us up to 238,090 km/h before any Kaiokens. And the Buu Saga 40 Ton feat, which would actually technically be 584 "Gravities" would linearly scale him to 5.84 times that of his Namek saga speed. Which is 1,390,445 km/h. Times it out by 50 then 2 then 4 for his Super Saiyan Multipliers, and that leaves us with 556,178,240 km/h, or about 50% of light speed at his maximum power. Again, assuming that all multipliers scale linearly and the gravity training works as a solid multiplier, instead of the real world method of increasing endurance so one can perform at higher levels for a longer time. But we haven't had anyone on Earth train at 10 times gravity, so we can't technically assume the individual wouldn't get the same benefits. Either way, the Z-Fighters do seem to be able to move circa light speeds by the end of Z. Super Saiyan God has no formal multiplier, so I can't actually tell if it IS faster than light, but even if it doubles the user's stats then it should do it. Besides, Goku's always been a Jack-of-all-Stats anyway, so his probably trains his speed, agility, strength, endurance and stamina equally to improve.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 23 2014, 09:58 PM Post #14
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	It's not linear like that though. You can't just say he gets 50x faster when he turns super saiyan because his power level is 50x higher. I wish it were like that so it would make things easier
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~~King Kakarot~~	Jul 23 2014, 10:02 PM Post #15
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	Ssj3vegito96 Jul 23 2014, 09:58 PM It's not linear like that though. You can't just say he gets 50x faster when he turns super saiyan because his power level is 50x higher. I wish it were like that so it would make things easier well we can safely says it's more than 20x



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