Mewtwo Vs Arceus

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Mewtwo Vs Arceus
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 16 2014, 12:16 AM (1,518 Views)
RealSociedad	Jul 16 2014, 12:16 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Who is the true god pokemon?

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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 19 2014, 05:32 PM Post #16
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Amnesia/Rest Mewtwo is garbage compared to standard Arceus.
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* Yu Narukami	Jul 19 2014, 05:42 PM Post #17
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	A Shadow Ball / Extremespeed combo from a 252 SPA / 252 SPD Spooky Plate Arceus would decimate Mewtwo



Event Horizon	Jul 19 2014, 06:17 PM Post #18
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Naked Snake Jul 19 2014, 05:42 PM A Shadow Ball / Extremespeed combo from a 252 SPA / 252 SPD Spooky Plate Arceus would decimate Mewtwo Depends in what order you use the attacks. 1st attack: Extreme Speed. 2nd attack: Shadow Ball - Mewtwo wins 1st attack: Extreme Speed. 2nd attack: Extreme Speed - Mewtwo wins 1st attack: Shadow Ball. 2nd attack: Extreme Speed - Arceus wins Since Arceus is going to utilize both SPA and ATK and you gave him 252 SPD, I'll give him a neutral nature - Docile. Let's see how this goes, shall we? Docile, 252 SPA/252 SPD + I added 4 on HP Ghost Arceus vs Modest, Life Orb 252 SPE/252 SPA/4 HP Mewtwo 1st match. Arceus will lead with Extreme Speed and then follow up with Shadow Ball Arceus uses Extreme Speed, does 20.62% - 24.58% Mewtwo used Psystrike, does 59.42% - 70.42% Mewtwo outspeeds Arceus and uses Psystrike again, killing Arceus. Even if Arceus went for another Extreme Speed, it wouldn't finish Mewtwo, since it's 5 hits to KO 2nd match. Mewtwo will lead and Arceus will follow up with Shadow Ball, then Extreme Speed Mewtwo uses Psystrike, does 59.42% - 70.42% Arceus uses Shadow Ball, does 91.53% - 108.47% (50% chance to OHKO). If it failed to OHKO, Arceus simply uses Extreme Speed and Mewtwo dies. Hell, I could remove the 252 SPE and give him 252 SPD instead, since Mewtwo will outspeed Arceus regardless. With 252 SPD, Mewtwo will survive a Shadow Ball and depending on how much it does, he has a chance to survive an Extreme Speed too. Mewtwo: Psystrike (59.42% - 70.42%) Arceus: Shadow Ball (71.19% - 83.62%) Arceus: Extreme Speed (20.62% - 24.58%) Mewtwo: 2nd Psystrike = Mewtwo wins! Edited by Event Horizon, Jul 19 2014, 06:23 PM.



Mihawk	Jul 19 2014, 07:11 PM Post #19
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 19 2014, 07:26 PM Post #20
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Lets just assume this is standard Mewtwo vs standard Arceus. Nothing Mewtwo has is gonna one shot standard Arceus, as it runs 252 EVs in HP: Mewtwo's Moves (select one to show detailed results) Psystrike 35.8 - 42.1% Ice Beam 21.6 - 25.4% Aura Sphere 38.2 - 45% (No Move) 0 - 0% Arceus's Moves (select one to show detailed results) Extreme Speed 50.4 - 59.4% (No Move) 0 - 0% Shadow Claw 49.2 - 58.3% Earthquake 35.1 - 41.3% Arceus wins this easy. Metwo can't even 2HKO an Arceus. If you want to bring Mega Mewtwo X into this, it's a different story: Mega Mewtwo X's Moves (select one to show detailed results) Low Kick 100.4 - 118.9% Zen Headbutt 33.7 - 39.8% Earthquake 27.9 - 33.1% (No Move) 0 - 0% Arceus's Moves (select one to show detailed results) Extreme Speed 46.1 - 54.6% (No Move) 0 - 0% Shadow Claw 44.7 - 53.2% Earthquake 32 - 37.9%
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Event Horizon	Jul 19 2014, 07:57 PM Post #21
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Actually, Mewtwo can easily 2HKO 252 HP Arceus. In fact he can almost one-shot it too. You just didn't include that move. Focus Blast will do 81.31% - 95.95% damage on 252 HP / 4 SPD Arceus. Now I don't know about you, but the majority of people I've met on X/Y/Showdown don't invest 252 EVs on HP. Some run 56 HP / 252 ATK / 200 SPE or 252 ATK / 4 SPD / 252 SPE. Which would ultimately mean Focus Blast has a chance to OHKO it. Of course there are people that use Arceus as a wall or tank, in which case Arceus will defeat Mewtwo simply because of his superior bulk. Edited by Event Horizon, Jul 19 2014, 08:00 PM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 19 2014, 10:46 PM Post #22
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Standard Mewtwos' don't use Focus Blast. Secondly If Mewtwo isn't OHKO-ing Arceus, he isn't winning.
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Event Horizon	Jul 19 2014, 11:09 PM Post #23
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	What do you mean? A regular Mewtwo can learn Focus Blast through TM52. It's not regularly used in competitive battling, because Aura Sphere is a better choice. But he can still use it. You said Mewtwo couldn't 2HKO Arceus. I simply disproved that with my post, proving he in fact could with Focus Blast. I didn't try to prove that Mewtwo could win, that's something I've already done.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 20 2014, 01:01 AM Post #24
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I meant he doesn't use it competitively. This thread is pointless if we aren't working off standard sets, because it means either one can win. Standard Arceus wins, therefore he is the victor(and this is a Mewtwo fanboy saying this).
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Event Horizon	Jul 20 2014, 01:32 AM Post #25
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Why should we only go off of standard sets? That's pretty retarded if you ask me. It's best to create multiple sets and then see who wins the most overall. Focus Blast is not THAT uncommon on regular Mewtwo. It's very common on Mewtwo Y, who is inferior to Life Orb Mewtwo. Besides, the Mewtwo you posted above didn't even have four moves. So technically I should freely be able to add a fourth move of my own choosing. This is one of the most common Mewtwo sets. Life Orb Modest / Timid 4 DEF / 252 SPA / 252 SPE Psystrike Ice Beam / Shadow Ball Aura Sphere / Fire Blast / Focus Blast Calm Mind / Flamethrower / Recover It completely depends if you value accuracy over power.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 20 2014, 01:34 AM Post #26
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	This thread is "retarded" if it's open ended, as there is no real answer. Arceus wins the majority of the battles, therefore Arceus wins in general. /thread Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 20 2014, 01:35 AM.
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Event Horizon	Jul 20 2014, 01:47 AM Post #27
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	You talk as if there's only one standard set for each Pokémon, when that's not the case. Mewtwo with Focus Blast is a standard set, part of many Mewtwos who serves as end-game cleaners. Just as Arceus without Extreme Speed is a standard set. Physical Wall Arceus Leftovers Impish 252 HP / 200 DEF / 56 SPE Reflect / Will-O-Wisp Recover Return Perish Song / Roar



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 20 2014, 01:54 AM Post #28
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Stark Jul 20 2014, 01:47 AM You talk as if there's only one standard set for each Pokémon, when that's not the case. Mewtwo with Focus Blast is a standard set, part of many Mewtwos who serves as end-game cleaners. Just as Arceus without Extreme Speed is a standard set. Physical Wall Arceus Leftovers Impish 252 HP / 200 DEF / 56 SPE Reflect / Will-O-Wisp Recover Return Perish Song / Roar I acknowledge there are multiple sets, but some of these sets are rather uncommon. My point is that Arceus will win the majority of the battles. I have yet to see how a Mewtwo can handle a Spooky Arceus. Even a Modest, 252 Sp. Atk, specs Shadow Ball against an Arceus with no Sp. Def and HP investment isn't gonna get OHKO-ed: 4- SpA Spooky Plate Arceus-Ghost Judgment vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mewtwo: 296-350 (83.8 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Mewtwo cannot win against Spooky Arceus, therefore Arceus should win.
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Event Horizon	Jul 20 2014, 02:18 AM Post #29
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Uncommon yes, but still happen. The majority, including myself value accuracy over power, hence why Aura Sphere is used more often than Focus Blast. Ice Beam over Blizzard, Thunderbolt over Thunder (Kyogre / Rain Dance teams excluded), Flamethrower of Fire Blast etc, you get the point. I'm not running this through a damage calculator now, so correct me if I make any mistakes. A Life Orb, Modest 252 SPA / 252 SPD / 4 HP Mewtwo Psystrike should be able to defeat Ghost Arceus, no? Depending on how much EVs you invest in HP / DEF / SPD. Since Mewtwo outspeeds Arceus, there's no need to invest any EVs in speed, unless Arceus got EVs in speed. So you can invest that in SPD or HP instead, whichever you choose, giving Mewtwo some more bulk. Mewtwo outspeeds Arceus and will hit him really hard with Psystrike. And then with the added 252 SPD, Mewtwo actually has a chance to survive both a Judgement and an Extreme Speed. Judgement's minimal damage is ~70%, while Extreme Speed's maximum damage is ~24% - together not adding up to 100%. <-- of course this is with zero investments in ATK EVs. And given this is Ghost Arceus, Extreme Speed is not a STAB move anymore. However, if you invest enough defense/ HP EVs to Arceus, then Psystrike will be a 3HKO, instead of 2HKO and then Arceus will win. Edited by Event Horizon, Jul 20 2014, 02:20 AM.



Rogafufuken	Jul 20 2014, 03:35 AM Post #30
Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #10,933 Joined: February 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z/Kai, and Nisekoi What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z, and One Piece	Can Arceus switch plates or is he just stuck with one? Or dors he not have any. Mewtwo's only change in-game is if he has Is Mega X form and usez Aura Sphere like what was mentioned before. That of course is if it's jusy normal Arceus. Arceus with the Spooky plate one shots. So Arceus wins 8/10 times most likely.



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