Hyper Shadow Vs Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta

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Hyper Shadow Vs Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 15 2014, 12:47 AM (2,286 Views)
Goku Black	Jul 15 2014, 12:47 AM Post #1
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TheACE	Jul 22 2014, 01:26 AM Post #31
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Because the prime universe IN sonic IS a video game. We're talking about a video game character and I don't remember a Solaris arc in the Archie Comics (Of course I quit reading when Ian took over and went on his killing spree, but I digress) so that version should therefore be considered. And in the vast majority of Sonic Media the super form (and when depicted hyper form) is portrayed as a time limited transformation, if for no other reason to bring a sense of urgency and gravity to it's importance.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jul 22 2014, 01:33 AM Post #32
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Oh I guess Squall is barely affected by bullets, yet in the cutscenes and AMV he's pinned down by gunfire and very afraid of getting shot. I guess Asura from Asura's Wrath despite dodging lasers and being able to disappear from normal sight is somehow slown down enough to where Grunts from the beginning of the game can hit him. I guess Dante from DMC can be immune to bullets and can bullet time one second but then get hit by a slow moving fist. Game Mechanics don't work when in these debates, they're not useful in any degree since in one cutscene you can be immune to a sword slash and then once you go into the game you still take considerable damage from a sword slash.
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TheACE	Jul 22 2014, 01:39 AM Post #33
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	TConnor_Demonic Jul 22 2014, 01:33 AM Oh I guess Squall is barely affected by bullets, yet in the cutscenes and AMV he's pinned down by gunfire and very afraid of getting shot. I guess Asura from Asura's Wrath despite dodging lasers and being able to disappear from normal sight is somehow slown down enough to where Grunts from the beginning of the game can hit him. I guess Dante from DMC can be immune to bullets and can bullet time one second but then get hit by a slow moving fist. Game Mechanics don't work when in these debates, they're not useful in any degree since in one cutscene you can be immune to a sword slash and then once you go into the game you still take considerable damage from a sword slash. Well if we're running on that logic, how the hell does Andre- I mean Spiderman get tagged by a bullet when he's been bullet timing for years? For that matter, how does Superman get his arse whipped by a little magic burst but he can hang with the magic powered Captain Marvel and tank hits from Thor's magic hammer? Why does Goku catch a bullet as a Super Saiyan in DBZ when he's visibly bullet proof in the first episode of Dragonball? Inconsistency doesn't live in Video Games Ink's, it just has the excuse of cutscenes power to the max.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jul 22 2014, 01:47 AM Post #34
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	If there were no cutscenes in the Sonic Game we're talking about then game mechanics would be what we go off of, but as soon as you bring in cutscenes where it is visibly stated that x character exists in the past, present, and future you can no longer go off game mechanics. Unless you think the game makers can make you fight as a being that is 1/3rd omnipresent. A little harder than most would like to admit. The examples you brought up were movies or animated shows where consistency to the comics they originated from does not hold well...and sometimes they don't even stay consistent to themselves. Also Goku was hit by a bullet and it visibly hurt him in SSJ? That sounds like some filler there. Superman's versus matches against Marvel characters aren't canon, neither are the animated shows or movies canon to the comic book period Superman they take part from.
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TheACE	Jul 22 2014, 01:51 AM Post #35
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	No Goku didn't get tagged, he physically caught it. But I suppose that's not the point. Ok, how do you SCALE 34% omnipresence? You're either omnipresent or you're not. That's it.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jul 22 2014, 01:54 AM Post #36
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	TheACE Jul 22 2014, 01:51 AM No Goku didn't get tagged, he physically caught it. But I suppose that's not the point. Ok, how do you SCALE 34% omnipresence? You're either omnipresent or you're not. That's it. Don't think about it, think Keanu Reeves brah. "Just clear your mind" I'm sure they weren't thinking when they made Sonic and Shadow 1/3rd omnipresent. But tis the way it is, it may not make sense and trying to think about it in depth is going to result in a headache. But then again, we don't go around disputing Pre Crisis Supes' speed breaking the bounds of infinite with the resulting image of the infinity symbol being punctured and Superman flying out of it because it doesn't make sense.
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TheACE	Jul 22 2014, 02:01 AM Post #37
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jul 22 2014, 02:04 AM Post #38
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	TheACE Jul 22 2014, 02:01 AM TConnor_Demonic Jul 22 2014, 01:54 AM TheACE Jul 22 2014, 01:51 AM No Goku didn't get tagged, he physically caught it. But I suppose that's not the point. Ok, how do you SCALE 34% omnipresence? You're either omnipresent or you're not. That's it. Don't think about it, think Keanu Reeves brah. "Just clear your mind" I'm sure they weren't thinking when they made Sonic and Shadow 1/3rd omnipresent. But tis the way it is, it may not make sense and trying to think about it in depth is going to result in a headache. But then again, we don't go around disputing Pre Crisis Supes' speed breaking the bounds of infinite with the resulting image of the infinity symbol being punctured and Superman flying out of it because it doesn't make sense. I see someone has never been on the Comic Vine Superman Respect threads As I've learned those threads usually reek of foul souls who don't understand the character that has accomplished said feat is impossible to exist anyway. Thus in order to disregard a plain laid out feat and statement they must first dismiss that said character exists in any form. And that gets us nowhere... Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jul 22 2014, 02:04 AM.
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TheACE	Jul 22 2014, 02:15 AM Post #39
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Touché, that does take care of that. But for a legit comparison we do have to at least scale the omnipresent thing. Maybe not formally quantify, but at least scale it so we can tell what bearing it has on the battle if any.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jul 22 2014, 02:19 AM Post #40
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	TheACE Jul 22 2014, 02:15 AM Touché, that does take care of that. But for a legit comparison we do have to at least scale the omnipresent thing. Maybe not formally quantify, but at least scale it so we can tell what bearing it has on the battle if any. Since he would have to technically time travel into the past, he could in theory during the battle go into the past so that he could be omnipresent in that past and create a new battle but with him being everywhere at once as long as it abides by him being in the past. Past...
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TheACE	Jul 22 2014, 02:23 AM Post #41
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	So really it's an endless chain battle with an alternate Vegeta for every alternate shadow since he's physically there but not?
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jul 22 2014, 02:25 AM Post #42
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	TheACE Jul 22 2014, 02:23 AM So really it's an endless chain battle with an alternate Vegeta for every alternate shadow since he's physically there but not? That's the vibe I'm getting lol
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TheACE	Jul 22 2014, 02:31 AM Post #43
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Dankness Lava	Jul 22 2014, 03:19 AM Post #44
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jul 21 2014, 06:00 PM Ben-Dan The Man Jul 21 2014, 04:18 PM I think I'm better off staying away from that, your explanation didn't help any, lol. Hmm, Shadow was merely omnipresent in 1 of the 3 timelines. Does that wording make more sense? Indeed it does. Seems silly though, but hey its fiction who cares rite



+ miguelnuva	Jul 22 2014, 10:49 AM Post #45
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Super Form needs 50 rings to activate but then it's as long as Sonic and Shadow want to be Super. As for the Solaris thing Shadow was not Omnipresence the Super hedgehog just fought Solaris at the 3 time eras he was effecting the most, his birth, the current time and Silver's future. And once again SSJ4 Vegeta had one fight and Bulma and Chi-Chi watched it he's not MFTL. The only way you can get him that fast is power scaling that makes no sense and is fan opinion. Edited by miguelnuva, Jul 22 2014, 10:50 AM.
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