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EMIYA
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Jul 18 2014, 02:37 AM
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No, you should quit ignoring stated facts in the manga. Goku can't lift 40 tons, tha'ts stated fact in the manga. Boo Arc Goku>>>>>Saiyan Arc Goku. Saiyan Arc Goku can't lift 40 tons. It's a matter of simple using what the manga tells us.
It's like me going around saying:
"What, Gero created something stronger than Freeza? That's impossible and it makes no sense so I'm going to ignore it. Freeza>>>>No. 17.
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Jul 18 2014, 02:38 AM
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So 'not taking too seriously' = blatantly disregarding them in favour of your own estimations and calculations? Got it, boss.
What calculations am I doing that proves dbz has superior lifting strength? Quit circle jerking bro
Whoopsie, looks like that doesn't even matter, Kakarot-chan. Read the last line again, you'll find that it doesn't disprove the 40-ton statement at all. >ignoring raditz punches would do more damage than a 1000 ton ball ever will rofl
And naruto would still break his hands on goku even in the saiyan saga
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Jul 18 2014, 02:39 AM
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So 'not taking too seriously' = blatantly disregarding them in favour of your own estimations and calculations? Got it, boss.
What calculations am I doing that proves dbz has superior lifting strength? Quit circle jerking bro
Whoopsie, looks like that doesn't even matter, Kakarot-chan. Read the last line again, you'll find that it doesn't disprove the 40-ton statement at all.
>ignoring raditz punches would do more damage than a 1000 tin ball ever will rofl Nice change of topic there, Kakarot-chan. I guess you found what I was talking about.
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Jul 18 2014, 02:40 AM
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So 'not taking too seriously' = blatantly disregarding them in favour of your own estimations and calculations? Got it, boss.
What calculations am I doing that proves dbz has superior lifting strength? Quit circle jerking bro
Whoopsie, looks like that doesn't even matter, Kakarot-chan. Read the last line again, you'll find that it doesn't disprove the 40-ton statement at all.
>ignoring raditz punches would do more damage than a 1000 tin ball ever will rofl
Nice change of topic there, Kakarot-chan. I guess you found what I was talking about. Change of what?
Simple dont take his numbers he throws out too seriously rofl
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Jul 18 2014, 02:41 AM
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Exposive force from a punch and the weight behind it are too different things. A soccer ball flying a 200 miles per hour is going to hurt a crap load more than a car hitting you at half a mile despite weighing more. The Bijuudama doesn't have to have a lot of explosive force behind it, we're talking about the physical weight on it.
And as with my car analogy, Goku physically isn't going to be able to stop that physical weight pressing on his body. Whether that crushes him or not, he's going to physically be unable to move it.
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Jul 18 2014, 02:43 AM
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So 'not taking too seriously' = blatantly disregarding them in favour of your own estimations and calculations? Got it, boss.
What calculations am I doing that proves dbz has superior lifting strength? Quit circle jerking bro
Whoopsie, looks like that doesn't even matter, Kakarot-chan. Read the last line again, you'll find that it doesn't disprove the 40-ton statement at all.
>ignoring raditz punches would do more damage than a 1000 tin ball ever will rofl
Nice change of topic there, Kakarot-chan. I guess you found what I was talking about.
Change of what? Simple dont take his numbers he throws out too seriously rofl
Look at the wording. Unless he forgot about 'much of DBZ' while he was just starting the Boo Saga, the 40-ton thing isn't included. He made the 40-ton dialogue while he was writing DBZ, when it was fresh in his mind, so this interview is completely irrelevant.
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Jul 18 2014, 02:48 AM
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The thing I'm wondering about though is how goku goes from pushing house sized boulders and throwing cars around, to not being able to lift 10 tons on each limb. Whether ki amplifies lifting/pushing strength or not, goku was only 11 years old when he was doing those feats and when goku is in his 30s , naturally he should be capable of more than what he did as a kid right?
There's multiple feats that suggest he can lift or push or whatever more than 40 tons. The feat in otherworld is the outlier. Should we really be taking it seriously?
Edit: btw, I just want to make it clear again that I'm not saying db verse would win. Naruto verse and db verse are practically on par with each other when it comes to raw power and they hax abilities
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So 'not taking too seriously' = blatantly disregarding them in favour of your own estimations and calculations? Got it, boss.
What calculations am I doing that proves dbz has superior lifting strength? Quit circle jerking bro
Whoopsie, looks like that doesn't even matter, Kakarot-chan. Read the last line again, you'll find that it doesn't disprove the 40-ton statement at all.
>ignoring raditz punches would do more damage than a 1000 tin ball ever will rofl
Nice change of topic there, Kakarot-chan. I guess you found what I was talking about.
Change of what? Simple dont take his numbers he throws out too seriously rofl
Look at the wording. Unless he forgot about 'much of DBZ' while he was just starting the Boo Saga, the 40-ton thing isn't included. He made the 40-ton dialogue while he was writing DBZ, when it was fresh in his mind, so this interview is completely irrelevant. Derp he still wrote it and its still inconsistent and he says not to take these numbers so seriously how hard is that too understand?
Akira is a forgetful guy don't out to much thought into it
@ssj3 no 40 tons is literally ignored on every other noteworthy forum
He has better feats as a child but then again lifting strength does not matter lol
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Jul 18 2014, 02:53 AM
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So 'not taking too seriously' = blatantly disregarding them in favour of your own estimations and calculations? Got it, boss.
What calculations am I doing that proves dbz has superior lifting strength? Quit circle jerking bro
Whoopsie, looks like that doesn't even matter, Kakarot-chan. Read the last line again, you'll find that it doesn't disprove the 40-ton statement at all.
>ignoring raditz punches would do more damage than a 1000 tin ball ever will rofl
Nice change of topic there, Kakarot-chan. I guess you found what I was talking about.
Change of what? Simple dont take his numbers he throws out too seriously rofl
Look at the wording. Unless he forgot about 'much of DBZ' while he was just starting the Boo Saga, the 40-ton thing isn't included. He made the 40-ton dialogue while he was writing DBZ, when it was fresh in his mind, so this interview is completely irrelevant.
Derp he still wrote it and its still inconsistent and he says not to take these numbers so seriously how hard is that too understand? Akira is a forgetful guy don't out to much thought into it As forgetful as he is, Toriyama puts a lot of thought into dialogue and events. I like to accept them as fact, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Yeah, it's really inconsistent. That doesn't really do anything for either side though, does it? All it proves is that we can't get an accurate measure of lifting/striking strength for most of the series. So, it ends up being a 'one or the other' kind of situation.
Kinda straying away from the point of the topic a little.
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Jul 18 2014, 02:58 AM
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Here's another thing we can look at. Base Vegeta (before becoming an SSJ) wants to train in a gravity chamber at around 300x gravity. As noted by Dr. Breifs, this would put his weight at about 18 tons. Essentially at this point Vegeta can only handle a level of weight on this body at this level. Or a little less than 18 tons.
He's got to physically handle his own weight which obviously he can do. Then you have the weight of the gravity which ultimately puts him at 18 tons.
Base Kid Trunks couldn't even handle 150x his own gravity and yet Trunks is obviously stronger than Base Vegeta during his training at 300x gravity.
People like Adult Trunks and Gohan noted the issues of the 10x gravity in the ROSAT.
As one can see, there's a pretty noticeable point that your powerlevel isn't really a note on how much weight you can handle on your body. You can have much weaker level opponents handling more weight on their body because they're more use to it.
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Jul 18 2014, 02:59 AM
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Well we knows it's an outlier. We know it's more consistent than it is inconsistent that goku is capable of more than the 40 ton feat. Why would you use the outlier to determine how physically strong he is?
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So 'not taking too seriously' = blatantly disregarding them in favour of your own estimations and calculations? Got it, boss.
What calculations am I doing that proves dbz has superior lifting strength? Quit circle jerking bro
Whoopsie, looks like that doesn't even matter, Kakarot-chan. Read the last line again, you'll find that it doesn't disprove the 40-ton statement at all.
>ignoring raditz punches would do more damage than a 1000 tin ball ever will rofl
Nice change of topic there, Kakarot-chan. I guess you found what I was talking about.
Change of what? Simple dont take his numbers he throws out too seriously rofl
Look at the wording. Unless he forgot about 'much of DBZ' while he was just starting the Boo Saga, the 40-ton thing isn't included. He made the 40-ton dialogue while he was writing DBZ, when it was fresh in his mind, so this interview is completely irrelevant.
Derp he still wrote it and its still inconsistent and he says not to take these numbers so seriously how hard is that too understand? Akira is a forgetful guy don't out to much thought into it
As forgetful as he is, Toriyama puts a lot of thought into dialogue and events. I like to accept them as fact, but whatever floats your boat, I guess. Yeah, it's really inconsistent. That doesn't really do anything for either side though, does it? All it proves is that we can't get an accurate measure of lifting/striking strength for most of the series. So, it ends up being a 'one or the other' kind of situation. Kinda straying away from the point of the topic a little. But then again it doesnt matter especially when you can physically rip apart people like freiza did to nail
Or you can physically 1 shot cell jrs who can tank planet busters in thier sleep
Or even better damage people with your punches who has solar system durability like goku did to beerus
They may have more lifting feats but they would all break thier hands on these durable guys regardless of how much they lift
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Let's not go too far into dbz. This is just db verse were talking about.
Back on topic: I think naruto verse wins
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What calculations am I doing that proves dbz has superior lifting strength? Quit circle jerking bro
Whoopsie, looks like that doesn't even matter, Kakarot-chan. Read the last line again, you'll find that it doesn't disprove the 40-ton statement at all.
>ignoring raditz punches would do more damage than a 1000 tin ball ever will rofl
Nice change of topic there, Kakarot-chan. I guess you found what I was talking about.
Change of what? Simple dont take his numbers he throws out too seriously rofl
Look at the wording. Unless he forgot about 'much of DBZ' while he was just starting the Boo Saga, the 40-ton thing isn't included. He made the 40-ton dialogue while he was writing DBZ, when it was fresh in his mind, so this interview is completely irrelevant.
Derp he still wrote it and its still inconsistent and he says not to take these numbers so seriously how hard is that too understand? Akira is a forgetful guy don't out to much thought into it
As forgetful as he is, Toriyama puts a lot of thought into dialogue and events. I like to accept them as fact, but whatever floats your boat, I guess. Yeah, it's really inconsistent. That doesn't really do anything for either side though, does it? All it proves is that we can't get an accurate measure of lifting/striking strength for most of the series. So, it ends up being a 'one or the other' kind of situation. Kinda straying away from the point of the topic a little.
But then again it doesnt matter especially when you can physically rip apart people like freiza did to nail Or you can physically 1 shot cell jrs who can tank planet busters in thier sleep Or even better damage people with your punches who has solar system durability like goku did to beerus They may have more lifting feats but they would all break thier hands on these durable guys regardless of how much they lift Oops, now you're assuming that they all use Taijutsu. Most characters avoid hand-to-hand combat in favour of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu.
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Some people are forgetting the flight advantage DB has.
Also, if ki and chakra weren't considered the same by the rules, barely any of Naruto's characters hax would not work.
With forum rules: Naruto characters get up to Raditz.
Without forum rules: Naruto characters get to 23rd Budokai Kami or at most 23rd Budokai Piccolo most likely.
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