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| Discrimination against Atheists, non-Christians, and alternative lifestyles | |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 6 2014, 12:36 PM Post #16 |
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Not as much with the Jews, but definitely Muslims. The only people who really bother the Jews in the US are white supremacists or neo-Nazis, most of which are fractured groups who live mostly in the southern states. In New York City several years ago, a local group of Muslims wanted to put a mosque down the street from where the Twin Towers stood (9/11). They didn't mean it as an insult, it's just where they wanted it. It was a huge controversial issue because of what happened there. The city ruled in favor of the protesters, and the location for the mosque had to be moved. There's several instances of Muslim prayers being held at public meetings (either town or state) that were rudely interrupted by Christians protesting them. There was one lady sitting on a subway bench in New York City who pushed a man onto the tracks, in the path of an oncoming subway because she thought he "looked Muslim". The guy was killed, and he wasn't even Muslim or middle eastern, he was a Christian Puerto Rican or something. I don't remember the story exactly. There's some college campuses who have cracked down on white students who pass racial slurs off against middle-eastern or Muslim students. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jul 6 2014, 12:39 PM.
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| Meowth | Jul 6 2014, 12:52 PM Post #17 |
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For Muslims it's certainly a difficult place to be due to the nature of current and recent political tensions, they are singled out by a wide range of different types of people just for who they are. The problem I have with religion is that it is often discriminatory, some individuals might not be but the message promoted by a community can be and sometimes counter productive. In Nigeria there was a man sent to a mental home for being an atheist, apparently that is a mental illness over there. It's crazy to believe that religion can have so much influence over politics and peoples lives, still. Atheist is just a label given to those who don't believe, I don't subscribe to any atheist community, I have the label because that's how people identify others. |
 
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 6 2014, 03:04 PM Post #18 |
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Interesting that you should mention that Rogue because I just saw that headline last night while scrolling though an Atheist page on Facebook that I follow. Not to mention that I also stumbled across this pic of a Newspaper clipping on Facebook this morning. I've seen this before, but for some reason, it's popping up on Athiest FB pages: Spoiler: click to toggle
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| + Pelador | Jul 6 2014, 03:09 PM Post #19 |
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The ignorance in that article is painful to my brain. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 6 2014, 03:10 PM Post #20 |
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The page that I got it from said "The Stupid... burns." And it's completely inaccurate considering that the "In God We Trust" on the currency didn't even start until after the turn of the 20th century. I don't have a problem with religion or Christianity of any kind, I just have a problem with ignorance, which unfortunately seems to go hand-in-hand with deep religious belief. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jul 6 2014, 03:18 PM.
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| Rogafufuken | Jul 6 2014, 03:15 PM Post #21 |
 
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 So may things wrong with that article. Also, if they think that freedom of religion only means freedom to chose Christian religions, they really need to go back to 5th grade and re-learn what it means. |
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| Meowth | Jul 6 2014, 03:17 PM Post #22 |
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Atheists are the reason crime is rampant. I thought that was criminals to be honest, pretty sure you can get religious criminals too, like radicals who kill in the name of god or even a common thief. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 6 2014, 03:21 PM Post #23 |
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^Not to mention that only about 5% of people in prisons in the US identify as Atheist. However, some people say this number isn't entirely accurate because a lot of people "Find God" while they're spending time in prison. However, given the ratio of non-believers vs believers (of all religions) in the US which when last updated, was around 5-1, I can't say that estimation is too far off from the actual number.
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Let me put forward some "statements" or "facts" first.I am neither a religious person nor a scientific follower.Now then lets move forward. First I would like you to think this question very "deeply" in an analogous way to the question put forward by some people here that is,"I lost my job or anything due to not being a "religious" person or I can not achieve my current objectives due to not satisfying the "standards" put forward by that "group/individual". My question/point "Some people don't get into college's/jobs because they don't seem to satisfy the "Scientific Standards" obtained from school's, college's etc.One could argue that its because they didnt "study hard" like other's.But it could also be the case that those people like aethist didnt won't to believe in the "Scientific standards or facts". If you analysed the above 2 points you would realize that they both achieve the same outcome. So you see "religion" and "scientific facts" exist to explain "the things" which human being's don't seem to understand or grasp the potential of a "complex subject".You see, some people have grown tired "miracles","Luck","faith" etc "science" is their religion just as "religion" is the "science" of the remaining people. "Ladies and gentlemen" the situation is more intense than you can ever imagine and this division between "science" and "religion" that people believe in, must continue on so that the "project" may go on. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 6 2014, 05:28 PM Post #25 |
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The difference between science and religion is that science can't be refuted because it is directly observable or at least has basis in mathematics, while religion itself is usually based on faith. Faith by definition is a belief that is held without evidence. Not all religions of course are like this. Buddhism itself is one of the few religions that is a godless religion, but not all practicing Buddhists are atheist, this is where personal interpretation comes in. You can have Christians who are scientists, and use science to explain "miracles", but the problem with this is that the whole basis of their study relies on the assumption that god and miracles exist in the first place. I forget who it was, but there was one Christian scientist (a renowned one in the scientific community) who used a computer model to explain how the concept of a global flood could've happened without there being any evidence for it now. The model depicted the pre-flood crust melting into the mantle, explaining the absence of it in geologic evidence. His model worked and was practical for the most part, but given the 6,000 year time frame that Christianity gives, there's no possible way that could've happened in the time frame that is given given that the energy released from the melting crust in the time frame given would've evaporated all the water and killed everything on the planet... Unless of course, a miracle happened; which requires faith, a belief defined by a lack of evidence. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jul 6 2014, 05:37 PM.
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I hope you realise that "mathematics" is based on root concept of "numbers" which is a human "made" thing or in other terms an "assumption" or a "belief". You didn't understand my point.My point is that "Science" and "Religion" result in the same "outcome".They only "Present" the concept from a different "angle/point of view". Regardless, my other point is that, this so called "differentiation or division" between "science" and "religion" must continue to exist among people so that the project may proceed unabated. |
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| Meowth | Jul 6 2014, 06:22 PM Post #27 |
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Can you please stop using speech marks in random places? I personally find it very difficult to read and to be honest, it looks silly too. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 6 2014, 06:25 PM Post #28 |
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What would this 'project' be? Do they reach the same outcome? What about the whole Galileo situation? Now, I'm no expert, but the conclusion that was reached by the Church seemed rather different than the conclusion reached by good 'ol Galileo. Religion can present simple, plain answers while Science puts forward more complex answers that are a result of careful observations and logic. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jul 6 2014, 06:49 PM Post #29 |
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How are those two even comparable? Science is formed through observation and consistent results while the religion is based on observation that hasn't produced consistent results. Even if the concept of math itself was invented by man, the observable result of adding two and two is and will always be the same. In other words, it's consistent. While if you do something like renounce your belief in God, there are no consistent results. There's no reason to believe that renouncing God proves or disproves his existence. Someone that did do it in the past may have died from being struck by lightning, but there's no consistent instances that would suggest that it's God. The default assumption would be is that people get struck by lightning, simply because that's what happens sometimes. Our bodies are filled with components that have given consistent results that they attract an electric charge. Why should I believe any different? You can't be sane, and even remotely compare consistent results to blind faith. Religion assumes certainties without evidence, while science itself is based solely on evidence and (most of all) consistent results. They might be similar in some ways, but the ways in which assumptions are made for both are completely different. One uses investigation that produces consistent results through observation while the other is assumptions formed through one time observation. Science is simply a directly observable way to understand the world, while belief in "God" takes blind faith because a god is not observable. Science may take faith, but that's only because we understand how it works, and assume that it works the same way through-out the known universe. We have no reason to believe that it doesn't. For example, gravity is a universal concept that is well understood, while a miracle from God is neither observable or understood. Once you understand science, science and observation can almost always overcome blind faith. For example, people for thousands of years had faith and assumed that the Earth was the center of the Universe. Through observation driven by scientific endeavor, and consistent results, we now know that's not even remotely true. It's not about how we come to conclusions, it's about what can't be refuted based on observation; which is something that everyone can do; regardless of belief. Science doesn't exist to disprove God. Science exists to understand the Universe, whether or not it was created by a God. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jul 6 2014, 06:52 PM.
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Try living in Oklahoma. It's hell on earth for anyone other than Christians, yet they still have the nerve to complain that Christians are discriminated against. |
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