Kaboom

Jul 2 2014, 06:27 PM

Toriyama talked about how he specifically designed Super Saiyan God to be much more basic and less "flashy" than the prior Super Saiyan forms. The change in hair color was, apparently, just for the sake of making it look different from Goku's normal form.

The slimmed-down and unimposing look sends a "don't judge by appearances" message that's common in Dragon Ball, and Beerus and Whis reflect that too. None of these three look very physically threatening, but they all hold a special and overwhelming type of power that trumps anyone else they fight. The only visual evidence of this power, until they start to fight of course, is the serene yet intense fiery aura that Beerus and Goku both display in the film.

Father Brofist

Jul 2 2014, 07:09 PM

Kaioken: Red Aura that casts a redish glow around the user making the hair stand up, sometimes spiky but sometimes even wavy.

SSJ God: Red/Orange aura that casts a reddish glow around the user, making the hair red and the facial expressions red while making the hair stand up and wavy.

There might be some subtle differences between the forms but if it wasn't for that orange glow of the aura I can bet you many people would think it was Kaio-Ken. SSJ2 wasn't too much different from SSJ, but it was an updated form of that. SSJ God was built up as this updated form of SSJ the greatest of SSJ forms. When you make your form underwhelming you have failed in your creation.

In movies, you often have instances where something is built up through the whole thing only to find out its not as great as we thought it would be. Assuming this was done purposely, its often done for comical effect. This was not, SSJ God was a serious transformation that was built up through the entire movie and well before that) and its something you don't make underwhelming.

It's like if the Death Star got built up as this whole monstrously destructive machine and in the end...it blew up a small hill.

There's a big difference between being underwhelming and being unique. Being underwhelming and even more so purposely making it so, shows nothing more than a lack of creativity and effort on Akira Toriyama's part. It's the difference between something that's underwhelming and something that's subtle.

There is very little difference between SSJ and SSj2, it's subtle differences at that and then SSj3 makes the huge change. SSJ God was something that would've fit more along the lines of an updated Kaio-Ken or even the idea that Kaio-Ken got mixed into the SSJ transformation (not like the filler Other World Tournament business though)

SSJ God as I said was less of an update on SSJ and more of an update on Kaio-Ken. One shouldn't make something underwhelming unless its for comical effect. othewise it leads to negativity to the viewers. If we get a build of something and its made out to be serious...and its underwhelming. We are not overjoyed or think "hey that's pretty unique..." we think its disappointing.

And that's what it was. Even if you get passed the appearance, the buildup of SSJ God wasn't anywhere near as great as it was built up. In fact I dare say through its entire appearance Goku was still getting whooped by Beers and the when it starts getting epic and Kibou no Uta begins to play...he's not even in his SSJ God appearance anymore. He's in his regular SSJ appearance (with the SSJG power)

Like SSJ God was so underwhelming and so boring that once things got good, they just threw it out and put Goku back into SSJ.

Father Brofist

Jul 2 2014, 07:09 PM

Kaioken: Red Aura that casts a redish glow around the user making the hair stand up, sometimes spiky but sometimes even wavy.

SSJ God: Red/Orange aura that casts a reddish glow around the user, making the hair red and the facial expressions red while making the hair stand up and wavy.

There might be some subtle differences between the forms but if it wasn't for that orange glow of the aura I can bet you many people would think it was Kaio-Ken. SSJ2 wasn't too much different from SSJ, but it was an updated form of that. SSJ God was built up as this updated form of SSJ the greatest of SSJ forms. When you make your form underwhelming you have failed in your creation.

In movies, you often have instances where something is built up through the whole thing only to find out its not as great as we thought it would be. Assuming this was done purposely, its often done for comical effect. This was not, SSJ God was a serious transformation that was built up through the entire movie and well before that) and its something you don't make underwhelming.

It's like if the Death Star got built up as this whole monstrously destructive machine and in the end...it blew up a small hill.

There's a big difference between being underwhelming and being unique. Being underwhelming and even more so purposely making it so, shows nothing more than a lack of creativity and effort on Akira Toriyama's part. It's the difference between something that's underwhelming and something that's subtle.

There is very little difference between SSJ and SSj2, it's subtle differences at that and then SSj3 makes the huge change. SSJ God was something that would've fit more along the lines of an updated Kaio-Ken or even the idea that Kaio-Ken got mixed into the SSJ transformation (not like the filler Other World Tournament business though)

SSJ God as I said was less of an update on SSJ and more of an update on Kaio-Ken. One shouldn't make something underwhelming unless its for comical effect. othewise it leads to negativity to the viewers. If we get a build of something and its made out to be serious...and its underwhelming. We are not overjoyed or think "hey that's pretty unique..." we think its disappointing.

And that's what it was. Even if you get passed the appearance, the buildup of SSJ God wasn't anywhere near as great as it was built up. In fact I dare say through its entire appearance Goku was still getting whooped by Beers and the when it starts getting epic and Kibou no Uta begins to play...he's not even in his SSJ God appearance anymore. He's in his regular SSJ appearance (with the SSJG power)

Like SSJ God was so underwhelming and so boring that once things got good, they just threw it out and put Goku back into SSJ.

Father Brofist

Jul 3 2014, 01:45 AM

You can keep denying it but there's a reason people keep seeing SSJ God has a KK Rip off becuase the visual effects are quite adamant on there. It's like the difference between SSJ Vegeta and SSJ2 Vegeta. There's hardly anyway to distinguish between the two forms other than lightning. There's just a subtle difference in the aura style (being more jagged than SSJ) and the hairstyle and with Vegeta that's really hard to tell. At least Goku and Gohan (especially kid) have some noticable changes in their hair style.

That's exactly what you had here. You had this updated version of a Kaio-Ken appearance. It's no wonder people keep seeing it as such. You have this form that was built up as this awesome and entirely different form. We didn't expect, red aura with red hair, wavy hair. This was the SSj2 to the SSJ again for characters like Goku and Vegeta. Minor differences that might look cool overall but certainly wasn't built up as such.

And the same thing happened with SSj2. Kid Gohan's SSj2 form was unique looking and was built up. Goku and Vegeta's SSj2 forms were vague and uninteresting and had no build up to them. I can almost guarantee that if it wasn't for that orange part of the SSJ God's aura, almost everyone would've looked at this and assumed this was some HD version of Kaioken.

Also there are points when the Kaio-ken hair looks wavy just as the SSJ God form.

Father Brofist

Jul 3 2014, 02:04 AM

Dude, look at some of the manga shots of Kaio-ken and not just that one color short. There's many instances where Goku's hair appears to be jagged, wavy, normal, etc. It gives the same illusion of movement that we see in SSJ God form. In fact there are times when Goku has his normal base hair style while in SSJ God, just like Kaioken does sometimes. It's only when Goku starts moving around that his hair starts waving around...again kind of like how KK Goku's hair starts waving around when he's moving.

Again...

SSJ God: Red hair, reddish orange aura, red eyes, wavy or spiky hair when moving, skinny body.

Kaioken: Red hair, red aura, the illusion of having red facial expressions due to the aura. Wavy or spiky hair when moving.

You literally cannot come to me and say that SSJ God doesn't share some similarities to Kaio-Ken when it's outright there. The first thing many people think when they see SSJ God is Kaioken and why do you think that? Why do you think so many people see SSJ God as this expy in appearance of Kaioken? There has to be a reason because for something that apparently shares little to no similarities to to KK, it sure is a popular thought.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Jul 3 2014, 01:33 AM

I have, that's what I compared to SSJ God to, thus calling the hair and eyes a purple or pink color based on the lighting of the aura:

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I also disagree. In what way is the hair more flashy? Blonde and Black are pretty much at the opposite ends of the color spectrum. Red isn't really flashy in that sense. Plus, Goku's hair is in an upward position, whereas it stays the same, minus the bangs, in SSJ God. Only the aura is flashy as far as I'm concerned.

Father Brofist

 

Firstly, let me get on this whole Boo and Dodoria thing. Here's the difference between them. There's some major and noticeable physical attributes between the two that heavily stand out. There are major points between the two that greatly differ from one another. I know not a single person who ever went up to Boo and thought "that looks like a lot like Dodoria."

You've already seen several people on this forum (and you can check other places as well) and its the same thing. "The form looks like Kaio-Ken." "Why does SSJ God look like Kaio-Ken?" "What's the difference between SSJ God and Kaio-Ken?" Everyone's making a comparison to it. Why? By your own claim there's nothing similar about them and yet people, threads, forums, etc are constantly comparing them.

Also if I shine big red light on something, it's going to give the illusion of that object being red despite the fact that it isn't. KK might have black hair but we visually see it as a red. It might be a bit different red from SSJ God but its still red.

Father Brofist

Jul 3 2014, 02:22 AM

Everyone's making a comparison to it. Why?