Gremmy Thoumeau vs Kaguya Otsutsuki vs Janemba

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Gremmy Thoumeau vs Kaguya Otsutsuki vs Janemba
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+ Solid Snake	Jul 2 2014, 08:19 AM Post #1
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Gremmy has insight on both his oppositions power. Kaguya cannot absorb any projectiles attacks. Janemba can't nuke the planet but has everything else. Case 2: Janemba is as smart as Gero. Who wins?
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+ Steve	Jul 5 2014, 04:21 PM Post #121
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Father Brofist Jul 5 2014, 02:02 PM Kenpachi: "When two spiritual beings collide, the side with the weaker spiritual pressure gets hurt." Aizen: A battle between shinigami is a battle between Reitsu. 1. Shinigami's and Hollows use inner Reitsu from their own body while the Quincy use the outside Reitsu and manipulate it. When Quincy are using their bows and stuff, that's going to be a confrontation of Reistu vs Reistu. 2. But what happens when you get into the non-Reitsu based abilities? You get into things like As Nods "Fear" which isn't a confrontation of Reitsu, its a confrontation of willpower or mental strength. There is Respira, which isn't a fight on Reitsu vs Reitsu but a battle of Reitsu vs Time. You have illusions which like the fear, isn't a battle confrontation between two Reitsus but a battle of mental strength and perception. So its always been a physical confrontation between spiritual objects. 3. So back to Gremmy. He pulls out guns and missiles, things that obviously don't have any Reitsu to them. You know he didn't manipulate the Reitsu in the air to create the guns, he just popped them into existence because of his mind. And why it obviously didn't take Kenpachi down, it left quite a few bruise marks on him. This shouldn't have happened thought because Kenpachi has more Reitsu.Unless of course this wasn't a confrontation of Reitsu. 4. The Steritter's each have a unique aspect to them along with their normal Quincy ability. You know got Bazz-B Burner Finger, you got Masks ability to get stronger through cheering. You have once more As Nods Fear. None of which are using Reitsu, especially not the last two I mentioned. 5. So when he messes with Yachiru, he's not messing with he Reitsu or having to bypass her Reitsu to turn her bones into cookies. 6. and I really see no way that unless you have some sort of anti-reality warping ability that you're going to stop an abstract ability like Gremmy turning your bones into cookies regardless of how powerful you are. Its just not a confrontation of Reitsu to me. When Gremmy says "your bones are cookies" I don't see that as Gremmy's Reitsu fighting against another Reitsu, I see it as an abstract ability beyond Reitsu effecting not another Reitsu but a physical body directly without having to go through anything else. That's the way I see it. Well, firstly I doubt Kenpachi knew much about Quincy's when he said that. Secondly if they didn't use Reishi at all why do they absorb it and why can it be sensed from them? They seem to just have a higher degree of control over it and can hide it whereas with people like Kenpachi it just flows out and his is so strong it can kill people. 1. That sounds plausible for Gremmy's power he might just use the surrounding Reishi, since in SS literally everything is made of it, to create things. But there still must be some kind of connection between him and people he manipulates for it to work, considering he has to focus on things he's altered for them to stay that way. Though perhaps that connection is the Reishi in SS if you imagine it being everywhere like an invisible mist, so it's possible his power doesn't work all that good in the living world he might have to actually absorb some energy for it instead of what's all around. 2. Respira is unclear if his power was impossible to beat then he surely would have at least tried to kill Aizen with it, considering he was the King of Hueco Mundo before Aizen waltzed in. And obviously Aizen survived. How did he beat him? Kyouka Suigetsu wouldn't have protected Aizen from Respira's AoE. Nobody in this entire arc has said anything along the lines of them using or not using Reishi for powers and if they could easily absorb all Reitsu how do Shinigami and Hollows fight them? All Shinigami powers are based on their Reitsu so if a Quincy is attacked by someone's illusion based Shikai/Bankai why can't they just absorb/erode the effect? 3. As I said above that probably is how his power works. They have to absorb Reishi for their powers, why would Gremmy be different? I don't think it's directly related to having more but more powerful energy, Gremmy was of comparable strength to Kenpachi that's why he was even there to be the "strongest Quincy" and why Kenpachi was there to fight him. Kenpachi's Shikai was more powerful than Gremmy's power and that's why he won. 4. With the fear I'm sure it probably does use Reitsu, it's no doubt exactly the same as Bambi's power(I think, the Explode girl) she sends her Reitsu/Reitsu in to people and it uses theirs or just blows up on it's own. As Nodt's fear does the same thing but with a different effect really, those thorn things are exactly the same as the bombs. 5. Again this is probably the exact same thing he manipulates the Reitsu in people's body to turn it in to whatever he wants and to do so rather than thorns or bombs his connection is his focus. 6. Kaguya potentially does with that you need Nature Chakra or Taijutsu to damage her. I'm unsure what to do with that though, can Reishi count as Nature Chakra or are they different? Personally I'd say they're different since Shinigami etc are made of Reishi and absorb it to refuel, whereas living people in Naruto aren't made of chakra their bodies just produce it. Ah dunno, I guess nevermind that To me it is a confrontation which is why he used it only on people who were weaker than him, if it was limitless there'd be no need for him to be Juha's pawn. Juha might be able to restrict it since he gave him the power we don't really know yet but again if it was limitless he could just remove that restriction, however he can't because Juha is more powerful than him. Which explains why he didn't use it in Kenpachi, which makes way more sense than PIS or CIS. Quote: People need to really stop using the BS excuse that "Janemba's just going to speed blitz them." like Janemba or anyone in the series just went up and attack the instant they saw an opponent or ever had to deal with the kind of abstract abilities that Kaguya or Gremmy has. This. There's just no denying that Kaguya at least can react to Janemba she has precog, ridiculous reaction speeds and 360degree vision. And Gremmy can be cut in half and immediately imagine himself whole again. Janemba is never faster than the speed of though much less the speed of a super beings thoughts. Otherwise Gremmy would be useless, no way the "strongest" he has to be able to think fast or someone like Ichigo(before Zero Division powered him up) could just speed blitz him and cut his brain in half eliminating all thought(provided he also knew about Gremmy's power. He's called the strongest because nobody could get away with that or else his biggest weakness would be fast characters. Quote: You'd let to believe that, given all these abilities, Babidi is God tier (as you like to say) in DB; actually, contrariwise, he is nothing but a small, microbe, fodder magic guy who has been casually one-shotted. His magic is pretty godly. But he isn't at all, in Babidi's case he could easily be speed blitzed and also his magic takes time to use Gremmy and Kaguya use their abilities as fast as they think. Kaguya might have to go to in depth thought about what dimension she's putting people in but she can do it faster than Sasuke and Naruto can attack her, and you know how fast Naruto is. EDIT actually no you don't because the last time he got a speed comparison, to teleporting, was 4 powerups ago. Edited by Steve, Jul 5 2014, 04:22 PM.
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EMIYA	Jul 5 2014, 06:11 PM Post #122
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I think we're just going to have a different point of view on that unless something happens in the manga later down the line. I can see things like Babibetta or Bazz-B very physical esque abilities utilizing Reitsu. But to me, Gremmy Imagination, As Nodt's Fear, Mask's Cheering are just so abstract that its not something I can see Reistu being able to block. In the same way I don't Reitsu blocking out Saten Keshun's space time manipulation. If Gremmy created the imagination and strike it at Kenpachi, I might be more included to agree I think.



Mihawk	Jul 5 2014, 06:14 PM Post #123
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	It's funny because if someone asked Toriyama who would win between Kaguuya and Janemba he'd have a tough time answering the question. He wouldn't be thinking of any speed blitz or the speed of Piccolo's attack on the moon, lol. He'd probably even give it to Kaguuya.



EMIYA	Jul 5 2014, 06:20 PM Post #124
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	For a moment, I thought you said someone literally asked AT who would win between the two. Took me a moment to realize the "if" and the "Janemba is even a creation of Toiryama"



+ Solid Snake	Jul 5 2014, 06:50 PM Post #125
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