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Gremmy Thoumeau vs Kaguya Otsutsuki vs Janemba
Topic Started: Jul 2 2014, 08:19 AM (7,315 Views)
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滅Are you frightened?

Gremmy has insight on both his oppositions power.

Kaguya cannot absorb any projectiles attacks.

Janemba can't nuke the planet but has everything else.
Case 2: Janemba is as smart as Gero.

Who wins?
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King Kakarot
Jul 4 2014, 07:21 PM
Itachi
Jul 4 2014, 07:18 PM
I'm saying there's no evidence kaioken multiplies your strength. It just boosts your PL therefore boosting your speed. Even if Kaioken did, kaioken ends after SSJ so this is a pointless discussion anyway.
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Speed going up by 50% would still be "zoom" Goku never says it goes up X amount, that's not proof.
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Yes because go everything goes zoom = multiplies. lol.

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The original talks of attack, speed and defence, iirc. Nothing more than that.
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Do you guys even read the manga?

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King Kakarot
Jul 4 2014, 07:32 PM
Do you guys even read the manga?

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Indeed I do, take a look at Kanzenshuu's strength checker.
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Jul 4 2014, 07:33 PM
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Jul 4 2014, 07:32 PM
Do you guys even read the manga?

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Indeed I do, take a look at Kanzenshuu's strength checker.
wasn't referring to you
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He meant check the proper translation from Kazenshuu. Even if that translation was correct it wouldn't mean anything. If his speed boosted by x and it was double or triple it would fall under multiplication, but still be a boost that isn't consistent when you do higher kaioken.

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Jul 4 2014, 07:40 PM
He meant check the proper translation from Kazenshuu. Even if that translation was correct it wouldn't mean anything. If his speed boosted by x and it was double or triple it would fall under multiplication, but still be a boost that isn't consistent when you do higher kaioken.
wtf are you talking about

Kaioken is a linear boost it multiplies all your stats linearly your're just pulling things out of thin air
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Throwing a tantrum isn't going to change it. Not to mention the real translation.

Chapter: 226 (DBZ 32), P14.6
Vegeta: “What happened just now? For an instant…his speed and power both rapidly increased!!”

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This has nothing to do with the topic at hand anyway.

They're not going light speed, Kaguya can react to Janemba easily and he'd probably try mess with Gremmy since he probably seems the weakest so Gremmy would just heal himself and imagine Janemba's insides were party poppers.

Kaguya would figure f*** he can reality warp and walk off in to another dimension to formulate a plan.
And then eventually one would win.

Same thing for if he attacks Kaguya first she'd see he's tough and escape or put him somewhere.
On a mental level even with Gero's intelligence Janemba can't compete with these two he would just rush in there thinking he can play around and get messed up.
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Jul 4 2014, 07:49 PM
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand anyway.

They're not going light speed, Kaguya can react to Janemba easily and he'd probably try mess with Gremmy since he probably seems the weakest so Gremmy would just heal himself and imagine Janemba's insides were party poppers.

Kaguya would figure f*** he can reality warp and walk off in to another dimension to formulate a plan.
And then eventually one would win.

Same thing for if he attacks Kaguya first she'd see he's tough and escape or put him somewhere.
On a mental level even with Gero's intelligence Janemba can't compete with these two he would just rush in there thinking he can play around and get messed up.
that sounds like a bad fanfiction
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Jul 4 2014, 07:51 PM
Steve
Jul 4 2014, 07:49 PM
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand anyway.

They're not going light speed, Kaguya can react to Janemba easily and he'd probably try mess with Gremmy since he probably seems the weakest so Gremmy would just heal himself and imagine Janemba's insides were party poppers.

Kaguya would figure f*** he can reality warp and walk off in to another dimension to formulate a plan.
And then eventually one would win.

Same thing for if he attacks Kaguya first she'd see he's tough and escape or put him somewhere.
On a mental level even with Gero's intelligence Janemba can't compete with these two he would just rush in there thinking he can play around and get messed up.
that sounds like a bad fanfiction
Well yeah, the powers of all three are ridiculous and hax anyway it could hardly go down in a way that wasn't weird or stupid sounding.

Especially with Gremmy doing s*** like turning bones in to cookies. If this fight happened we could see Janemba and Kaguya being crushed by a rain of alpaca's and jelly that's how crazy his power is.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

But seriously I brought this up before. Gremmy created a person who could literally erase their entire existence from somebody's mind. What's stopping Gremmy from just going "ooooh...*whoosh* vanishing from their entire existence

Janemba:...Was somebody here?

Kaguya: Your stupid, there was nobody here to begin with.

*splursh*

*both get their brains turned into a cookies*

Gremmy casually wills himself back into existence.
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Father Brofist
Jul 4 2014, 08:07 PM
But seriously I brought this up before. Gremmy created a person who could literally erase their entire existence from somebody's mind. What's stopping Gremmy from just going "ooooh...*whoosh* vanishing from their entire existence

Janemba:...Was somebody here?

Kaguya: Your stupid, there was nobody here to begin with.

*splursh*

*both get their brains turned into a cookies*

Gremmy casually wills himself back into existence.
Stupid, Janemba would just somehow think there was someone and blow up the whole area.


I think Kaguya has defence against that, she might forget him and he might go invisible but his power is a product of reishi/energy given to him so she should be able to see some weird ghostly chakra figure.

I think the main issue with Gremmy is his personality he probably wouldn't think to kill right away and Kaguya would send him in to space or something, it looks like it happens faster than he could react and if he's put somewhere he's immediately taking damage like space or in lava he should die before he can think of being healed.

Failing that he should be stuck wherever he's put forever, unless he can recreate Kaguya's power but I doubt that.

Also I reckon his power would have an AoE restriction, it probably only works in an area as big as the Seiretei if there were really no limits to it at all he could have just been the final villain.
So with that his energy should blanket the whole area that he can alter, which Kaguya would be able to see like how Sasuke saw Deidara's micro-bombs as a chakra cloud. Upon realizing that I'm sure Kaguya wouldn't be stupid enough to stay in his range.

Assuming there is one though, who knows really. Maybe he will come back and destroy Juha we don't even know if he's dead or just stopped fighting. That or perhaps Juha has all the shown Quincy powers and will use it at some point.
As far as I'm concerned though there definitely should be an AoE limitation, same with Kaguya's dimension warping.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

According to the first Visonary (Gremmy's creation) there were three parts to his ability.

1.) His physical form vanishes

2.) His essence vanishes and his body is merely an afterimage of the whole thing

3.) His literal existence is erased from their minds.

and he can constantly switch between those thee forms in an instant. If he had left traces of Reitsu, this would've bee noticed too i believe. But Isane was wondering why Yachiru was trying to attack what she thought was an entirely new person nor did either of them notice any new Reistu. It's similar with Gremmy, he just came into the room and everyone was like "what? Where'd he come from?"

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