Gremmy Thoumeau vs Kaguya Otsutsuki vs Janemba

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Gremmy Thoumeau vs Kaguya Otsutsuki vs Janemba
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+ Solid Snake	Jul 2 2014, 08:19 AM Post #1
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Gremmy has insight on both his oppositions power. Kaguya cannot absorb any projectiles attacks. Janemba can't nuke the planet but has everything else. Case 2: Janemba is as smart as Gero. Who wins?
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 4 2014, 06:45 PM Post #76
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	King kakarot you have to understand that destructive power and durability aren't always the biggest factors in a fight. Anyway, not sure if this proves they're faster than light or lightspeed. But let know what you guys think. Since speed doesn't scale linearly but it does with kaioken and kaioken shows us that even without kaioken it's not that far off. Beerus and whis were much faster than light. That means by the buu saga, characters like super buu and mystic gohan should be at least somewhat getting near lightspeed right? Or are beerus and whis really that many times more powerful than them? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 4 2014, 06:48 PM.
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+ Solid Snake	Jul 4 2014, 06:55 PM Post #77
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Those quotes prove a lot actually Vegito. If Krillin only saw a flash of light and had no time to register what happened til it was to late, what do you take of that? Then You comes and seat those same attacks. Then, at the moment of impact, Goku managed to out speed the entirety of the blast radius.
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Mihawk	Jul 4 2014, 06:56 PM Post #78
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Saying speed doesn't scale linear to PL and saying it scales linear with kaioken instead is a contradiction since kaioken is PL multiplier. Maybe you don't understand the meaning of linear then?



~~King Kakarot~~	Jul 4 2014, 06:57 PM Post #79
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	kai o ken is stated to raise speed



+ Steve	Jul 4 2014, 06:57 PM Post #80
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Ssj3vegito96 Jul 4 2014, 06:45 PM King kakarot you have to understand that destructive power and durability aren't always the biggest factors in a fight. Anyway, not sure if this proves they're faster than light or lightspeed. But let know what you guys think. Since speed doesn't scale linearly but it does with kaioken and kaioken shows us that even without kaioken it's not that far off. Beerus and whis were much faster than light. That means by the buu saga, characters like super buu and mystic gohan should be at least somewhat getting near lightspeed right? Or are beerus and whis really that many times more powerful than them? You mean with the transportation technique they used right? In that case, yes and no since that's a technique that granted them it, not raw speed so it wouldn't be usable in a fight. Or no it could be but it's basically just the same as instant transmission, IIRC only watched the movie once. And from the looks of it they could just be that much stronger we don't really know any of the boosts plus movie 12 appears to be an alternate timeline where they beat Fat Buu. So the characters in it are much weaker than those in BoG so that's a hit against Janemba's speed. I'm willing to agree that Narutoverse and DBverse have equal raw speeds, obviously they're not going to be exact but for arguments sake I'd say there's next to no difference between DBZ and high tier Naruto speeds. Things like IT and Hirashin not counting towards raw speed of course. EDIT Kaioken increases speed but it never says linearly. If speed was totally relative to PL how would there ever be fights when someone is like 20% faster? The domination would be unreal. But a 20% advantage is still beatable. 20x Kaioken could just give a 5x increase in speed rather than outright 20. Edited by Steve, Jul 4 2014, 06:59 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 4 2014, 07:00 PM Post #81
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Itachi Jul 4 2014, 06:56 PM Saying speed doesn't scale linear to PL and saying it scales linear with kaioken instead is a contradiction since kaioken is PL multiplier. Maybe you don't understand the meaning of linear then? Well I'm saying that when their power level gets 10x higher from training or ssj, they don't get 10x faster. But when their power level gets 10x with kaioken, they do actually get 10x faster. Which is why frieza wasn't able to react at first to kkx20 goku even though their power level was the same. Or am I misunderstanding or missing something?
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~~King Kakarot~~	Jul 4 2014, 07:02 PM Post #82
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	no kai o ken littereally is double, 20x your own speed also whis,goku,beerus all have MFTL reactions Edited by King Kakarot, Jul 4 2014, 07:04 PM.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Jul 4 2014, 07:04 PM Post #83
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	@steve nothing says it's a technique. It's not teleportation either since whis said it would take 26 minutes to get there
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Mihawk	Jul 4 2014, 07:06 PM Post #84
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	I get what you're saying but it seems like you're just putting logic aside and using different approach to the same issue since the wording seems to work. All Kaioken does is boost your PL by x amount. When your PL increases so does your speed, power, etc. It doesn't increase your speed by a multiple or else SSJ and training would have to too.



~~King Kakarot~~	Jul 4 2014, 07:12 PM Post #85
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	Itachi Jul 4 2014, 07:06 PM I get what you're saying but it seems like you're just putting logic aside and using different approach to the same issue since the wording seems to work. All Kaioken does is boost your PL by x amount. When your PL increases so does your speed, power, etc. It doesn't increase your speed by a multiple or else SSJ and training would have to too. kao i ken multiplies your speed, power, by what ever amount you use ssj training does do so but it different example Goku uses kai o ken x 50 Speed = 50 power= 50 hearing=50 vision=50 smell=50 Goku goes ssj(50x boost) speed= 50 power= 50 hearing=45 vision=47 smell=48 as you can see they offer boosts but kaioken every stat is multiplied



Mihawk	Jul 4 2014, 07:15 PM Post #86
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Multiplying means scaling linear. There's proof in the manga that busting, speed and strength don't scale linear.



~~King Kakarot~~	Jul 4 2014, 07:16 PM Post #87
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	Itachi Jul 4 2014, 07:15 PM Multiplying means scaling linear. There's proof in the manga that busting, speed and strength don't scale linear. and kaioken scales linearly and power leves don't so what's the argument?



Mihawk	Jul 4 2014, 07:18 PM Post #88
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	I'm saying there's no evidence kaioken multiplies your strength. It just boosts your PL therefore boosting your speed. Even if Kaioken did, kaioken ends after SSJ so this is a pointless discussion anyway.



+ Steve	Jul 4 2014, 07:21 PM Post #89
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Ssj3vegito96 Jul 4 2014, 07:04 PM @steve nothing says it's a technique. It's not teleportation either since whis said it would take 26 minutes to get there Well they just stand and take off IIRC Whis doesn't have to hold him does he? It's not simply flying that fast, it definitely is some kind of advanced flying technique. I didn't mean it was teleportation just in a fight it would work similarly, an A to B style technique not something to be used in a fist clash just like IT isn't. I'd again like to point out Vegeta and Goku flying away from Kid Buu's planet busting attack. If they were going light speed they'd be going round the planet over and over. Light speed is 299 milion meters per second, the Earth is only 40 million meters round. So by the reckoning of Vegeta and Goku being FTL or MFTL...well, yeah, do I need to say more? Light speed alone would mean if they were flying away from it for even one second they'd have went round Earth 7 and a half times, roughly. But apparently they're even faster than that... Edited by Steve, Jul 4 2014, 07:23 PM.
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~~King Kakarot~~	Jul 4 2014, 07:21 PM Post #90
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	Itachi Jul 4 2014, 07:18 PM I'm saying there's no evidence kaioken multiplies your strength. It just boosts your PL therefore boosting your speed. Even if Kaioken did, kaioken ends after SSJ so this is a pointless discussion anyway. keyword = Everything @ Steve you don't need to fly around the world 7 times in a second to show you are light speed there are other ways lmao Besides why would they fly across the world? Kid buu was going to destroy earth lol Edited by King Kakarot, Jul 4 2014, 07:24 PM.



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