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Gremmy Thoumeau vs Kaguya Otsutsuki vs Janemba
Topic Started: Jul 2 2014, 08:19 AM (7,320 Views)
+ Solid Snake Jul 2 2014, 08:19 AM Post #1
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 Gremmy has insight on both his oppositions power.

Kaguya cannot absorb any projectiles attacks.

Janemba can't nuke the planet but has everything else.
Case 2: Janemba is as smart as Gero.

Who wins?
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+ Ssj3vegito96 Jul 3 2014, 04:41 AM Post #16
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 Idk why people say naruto is teleportation speed. He is practically teleportation speed against other naruto characters. He's not literally teleporting. He's just moving fast enough in a small area to make it look like he teleports. Dbz characters have done that so many times. I don't see how kaguya is faster than janemba
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Mihawk Jul 3 2014, 04:46 AM Post #17
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 I wouldn't give Naruto speed of instant (teleportaion) or speed of light since it just breaks down so many logic barriers. It makes sense if we use literalism from the text, but still I like to avoid it.

Faster than lightning is still enough to compete with DB/Z characters though so it doesn't really matter.

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+ Ssj3vegito96 Jul 3 2014, 04:49 AM Post #18
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 We're using an anime character though. Anime dbz characters have been faster light since ssj goku vs 100% frieza.
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Mihawk Jul 3 2014, 04:54 AM Post #19
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 Why would you use the anime? Is it stated the movies are canon to the anime? I remember reading Toriyama said the movies took place in alternate universes to the manga.

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+ Ssj3vegito96 Jul 3 2014, 04:56 AM Post #20
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 Because toei makes both the anime and movies
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King Kakarot Jul 3 2014, 05:20 AM Post #21
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 If I had mach 10 speed it would look like I'm teleporting to others because I'm moving so fast doesn't necessarily mean im teleporting
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+ Steve Jul 3 2014, 11:05 AM Post #22
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Janemba creating another Goku is more than than that. Even if Fat Janemba created a weaker Goku, he still created one to mimic and stalemate Goku's own Kamehameha, and he like Buu was clearly having fun as he did this, implying he could do more or wasn't serious.

Goku was spared because that shielding slightly weaken the attack. If I have a bulletproof vest and am shot from a distance, I will still be effected due to the vest taking the blunt force.

Janemba has since shot at winning with his ability too.
If there was no limit to that ability he could have created more of himself or more Gogeta's it's not like it took him long.

You don't really believe that do you? It's just a random weird sphere thing if physical matter shielded Goku then Janamba can't create a sword that cuts through everything.

Where does the anime ever state that DBZ characters are as fast or faster than light? Never understood that at all.



Speed is irrelevant as I've said unless you can prove that Janemba is faster than Naruto then he can't blitz Kaguya. She has the Byakugan and the Sharingan and Rinnegan combo which means she can see like everything happening not to mention peoples weak points in slow motion maybe she isn't as fast as Naruto but her reaction speed is ridiculous.

People just have to face facts that some characters can compete with DBZ, being able to blow up planets and countries doesn't make them all powerful.
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King Kakarot Jul 3 2014, 02:53 PM Post #23
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Janemba creating another Goku is more than than that. Even if Fat Janemba created a weaker Goku, he still created one to mimic and stalemate Goku's own Kamehameha, and he like Buu was clearly having fun as he did this, implying he could do more or wasn't serious.

Goku was spared because that shielding slightly weaken the attack. If I have a bulletproof vest and am shot from a distance, I will still be effected due to the vest taking the blunt force.

Janemba has since shot at winning with his ability too.
If there was no limit to that ability he could have created more of himself or more Gogeta's it's not like it took him long.

You don't really believe that do you? It's just a random weird sphere thing if physical matter shielded Goku then Janamba can't create a sword that cuts through everything.

Where does the anime ever state that DBZ characters are as fast or faster than light? Never understood that at all.



Speed is irrelevant as I've said unless you can prove that Janemba is faster than Naruto then he can't blitz Kaguya. She has the Byakugan and the Sharingan and Rinnegan combo which means she can see like everything happening not to mention peoples weak points in slow motion maybe she isn't as fast as Naruto but her reaction speed is ridiculous.

People just have to face facts that some characters can compete with DBZ, being able to blow up planets and countries doesn't make them all powerful.
King kai basically stated ssj goku and freiza were moving FtL since he can track saiyan space pods (which are MFTL) with no problem.

Yet he lost track of ssj goku and freiza fighting with his godly eyes meaning MFTL combat speed

And Janemba>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ssj goku who he will see frozen in time since he's so much faster than goku meaning gremmy and kaguya don't stand a chance in hell in this fight.

Janemba 1 shots

can gremmy or kaguya even take an full powered attack from raditz let alone Janemba?

Speed is not irrelevant and guys from naruto still stand no chance against dbz low tiers

To your last sentence Dbz Characters can Casually blow up planets larger than Jupiter and destroy entire solar systems

Janemba>Super Perfect Cell(solar system buster)

These guys don't stand a chance against dbz characters
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+ supersaqer Jul 3 2014, 02:59 PM Post #24
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I'm not buying that either Naruto or Bleach characters are faster than lightning. Breaks too many things in the manga, but some characters in both manga are massively hypersonic.
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EMIYA Jul 3 2014, 03:06 PM Post #25
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 There are some teleporting speeds and faster than lightning speeds in Naruto. We really can't deny that when its right there. As for Bleach, the top speeds really are it seems to be about hypersonic though I suppose Gremmy can potentially give the illusion of Super Speed. If Gremmy can't just go "I imagine myself with speed of light movement" he could always do what his creation did.

Erase himself from somebody's memory, move and then it's like "oh my goodness where did you come from?"

Which may not be a bad strategy here. While Janemba and Kaguya are going at it, Gremmy just erases himself from their memories, fiddles around and then takes them both out before they even know he existed. But that would so completely haxed and cheap I'm not sure if I could accept that.
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+ Ssj3vegito96 Jul 3 2014, 03:40 PM Post #26
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Where does the anime ever state that DBZ characters are as fast or faster than light? Never understood that at all.
in dragon ball, goku was actually shown dodging lightning. So he's already competing with naruto characters speed there. Now, against frieza, they were moving so fast king kai couldn't even follow their movements and king kai can follow space pods which are MFTL. We also have an actual time in the anime that it takes piccolo and roshi's blasts to reach the moon so there's no assumption there. Anime dbz characters are definitely much faster than light.

Janemba is made by toei animation

I honestly have not even heard any good evidence that naruto characters are faster than even manga dbz characters especially after battle of gods but that's for another time
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+ Solid Snake Jul 3 2014, 05:04 PM Post #27
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Janemba creating another Goku is more than than that. Even if Fat Janemba created a weaker Goku, he still created one to mimic and stalemate Goku's own Kamehameha, and he like Buu was clearly having fun as he did this, implying he could do more or wasn't serious.

Goku was spared because that shielding slightly weaken the attack. If I have a bulletproof vest and am shot from a distance, I will still be effected due to the vest taking the blunt force.

Janemba has since shot at winning with his ability too.
If there was no limit to that ability he could have created more of himself or more Gogeta's it's not like it took him long.

You don't really believe that do you? It's just a random weird sphere thing if physical matter shielded Goku then Janamba can't create a sword that cuts through everything.

Where does the anime ever state that DBZ characters are as fast or faster than light? Never understood that at all.



Speed is irrelevant as I've said unless you can prove that Janemba is faster than Naruto then he can't blitz Kaguya. She has the Byakugan and the Sharingan and Rinnegan combo which means she can see like everything happening not to mention peoples weak points in slow motion maybe she isn't as fast as Naruto but her reaction speed is ridiculous.

People just have to face facts that some characters can compete with DBZ, being able to blow up planets and countries doesn't make them all powerful.
Kinda hard to create stuff while getting beaten the crap out of.

That sphere likely had some special durability it was made by Janemba after all.

King Kakarot and Vegito already explained their speed, and if you don't at least take into account these facts then I'm done.

Not quite, Naruto's cast can't still take Raditz, his durability is still to high. Only those with instant kill techniques can beat him.
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Mihawk Jul 3 2014, 07:19 PM Post #28
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 Well obviously they aren't faster than BoG, no one here would actually try to compare to that movie. DBZ actually starts tapping to DC levels there.

And there's literal evidence of Naruto characters being faster than lightning. It's stated. There's no way to throw it out unless you think Gai is lying. Teleportation is a little iffy, but lightning like I said is enough to deal with manga incarnations.

I don't get why you'd use the anime still. Did Toei say the anime is canon to the movies? Obviously they made the anime but even for the anime they tried to make it accurate to the manga. I just don't see why you'd intentionally use the anime's inaccuracies if Toriayma said the movies take place in their own parallel universes.

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+ Ssj3vegito96 Jul 3 2014, 08:29 PM Post #29
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 Well, no it's not stated that the movies are canon to the anime. You got me there lol
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+ Solid Snake Jul 3 2014, 09:28 PM Post #30
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Well obviously they aren't faster than BoG, no one here would actually try to compare to that movie. DBZ actually starts tapping to DC levels there.

And there's literal evidence of Naruto characters being faster than lightning. It's stated. There's no way to throw it out unless you think Gai is lying. Teleportation is a little iffy, but lightning like I said is enough to deal with manga incarnations.

I don't get why you'd use the anime still. Did Toei say the anime is canon to the movies? Obviously they made the anime but even for the anime they tried to make it accurate to the manga. I just don't see why you'd intentionally use the anime's inaccuracies if Toriayma said the movies take place in their own parallel universes.
Making SSJ Goku equal to Ultimate Gohan is what you call accurate? When SSJ3 Goku is no match for Super Buu? Just no. The movies and anime has this ideal that Goku should be the strongest and they make this quite clear certain instances, no wonder people imply their directly related.
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