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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 30 2014, 06:55 AM (1,149 Views) | |
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Jun 30 2014, 06:55 AM Post #1 |
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Another thing I've been tweaking lately. Such a hard topic to really simplify honestly. But here goes. 1) 50% Goku is viewed as Goku's FP 2) It is known that Base Cell is the tip of the ice berg 3) Krillen seems to know everyone's CG powers except for Goku and Gohan 4) Warm Up Goku has no aura, Powered Up PC does. Deduce from that. Additional Bonus Theory on why Grade forms were not used. Let's see if we can debunk it if not " its canon ! " Vegeta and Trunks did not use Grade forms because they've become ireelavnt. Roshi, Cell and Goku all seem to think going Buff decreases speed. This is true because it does. Vegeta being the genius he is found a way to incorporate boosted speed into a smaller buffed up version. They trained very hard to maintain balance. After abandoning the form they also lost the ability to maintain balance thus making the form irrelevant. Goku transforms into Grade 2 and 3 and notes how muscles and power are good but he loses speed and you need speed. Notice how he doesn't differentiate one form from the other. So all in all, how strong is Warm Up Goku? I've settled on 15% as of late. Edited by p123, Jun 30 2014, 07:18 AM.
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| + Kyouks | Jun 30 2014, 07:32 AM Post #2 |
 
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Assuming Base Cell's power doesn't change at all from the Vegeta fight, I think the Z Fighters would be rather hopeful upon feeling 50% Goku's power if Warm Up Goku/Base Cell <<< 50%. I don't really remember these events too well but I'm pretty sure no one questions Goku's belief that Cell has him beat, and I remember Trunks asking Goku specifically if he had any strategies for taking on Cell after Goku examined him in the ring, implying that he didn't have any blind hope for Goku power-wise, which imo would be the case if 50% Goku >>> Base Cell. There's the aura issue but Goku only had it while powering up so i don't think it's a big deal. |
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Jun 30 2014, 07:40 AM Post #3 |
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What's the aura issue? And yes that is what I feel as well... 50% Goku > Buff Cell > or ~ SSJG3 Trunks > Base Cell ~ Warm Up Goku Realistically speaking, Cell vs Vegeta and Trunks should be a bit weaker than Cell vs Warm Up Goku considering that Vegeta's Final Flash caused Cell to regenerate which we know causes power loss. Which even furthers Cell's feats against Vegeta and diminishes Trunks " greatly superior " standing just a tad. |
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| + Kyouks | Jun 30 2014, 07:47 AM Post #4 |
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The aura issue is that warm up Goku didn't have an aura, which could mean 50% >> Warm up. But we really only see Goku's aura as he is in the process of powering up, so I don't have an issue with 50% = Warm up either, personally, since Goku isn't powering up if he's just standing around at 50%. |
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Jun 30 2014, 07:56 AM Post #5 |
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I'm a firm believer that Goku not having an aura during the warm up indicates that level of power is greatly lower than 50%. Goku had to do a monstrous power up to get to 50%, yet he is walking around casually for his warm up state. |
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| + Kyouks | Jun 30 2014, 08:01 AM Post #6 |
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We always see monstrous power ups the first time around though. Vegeta for instance takes a while to go SSJ against 19 but before chasing Gero he does it instantly. Either way, I do believe that 50% Goku is at least not the strongest power up to that point. I'm pretty sure Krillin has a statement regarding FP Goku that implies this although I forget exactly what. |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 30 2014, 08:10 AM Post #7 |
 
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Is it the one where he says he "figured" 100% Goku would outstrip everyone, implying 50% didn't? |
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Jun 30 2014, 08:15 AM Post #8 |
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I don't find that to be the case here Kyouks. I think Goku's resting state probably allows for suppression from 1-20% or so, just like how we see dozens of characters able to atler their power without powering up. 50% Goku requires effort. Plus look at the context. 50% Goku = Warm Up Goku vs Cell irrelevant. I have a hard time expressing the end point on this topic though. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 30 2014, 09:49 AM Post #9 |
 
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İs there any proof of Cell @ Goku > Cell @ Trunks? Do we have any indication of it? |
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Jun 30 2014, 10:17 AM Post #10 |
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Cell had to regenerate. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 30 2014, 11:30 AM Post #11 |
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I'm refering to Cell warming up at Goku. |
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Jun 30 2014, 10:21 PM Post #12 |
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So am I. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 30 2014, 10:40 PM Post #13 |
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Cell @Trunks ~ Cell @ warming up |
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Jun 30 2014, 11:36 PM Post #14 |
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Cell vs Trunks is weaker than Cell vs Goku. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 30 2014, 11:50 PM Post #15 |
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Prove that.
Edited by Alex D. Boss, Jul 1 2014, 02:15 AM.
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