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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 29 2014, 12:13 PM Post #16 |
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I agree. Base feats vs Super Saiyan feats simply doesn't make sense sometimes if you do the 50x multiplier. For example, Goku suggesting that him in base would be any help in Gohan's context when he fights Boo is the thing that really throws me for a loop, considering that Gohan would've been literally thousands of times stronger than him in base. |
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Jun 29 2014, 03:36 PM Post #17 |
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It would be Ssj3 Goku helping Gohan. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 29 2014, 05:39 PM Post #18 |
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I was talking about when he states this about fusing with Gohan. Rou Dai Kaioshin (before Goku's suggestion of fusing with Gohan) had already stated that it wasn't a good idea to fuse in a transformed state. So it would be base Goku, not him in a transformed state. If Goku thinks that his base is comparible to Ultimate Gohan, this suggests a much closer gap than the few thousand fold gap that a lot of people suggest... Or that statement is simply a plothole. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 29 2014, 05:46 PM.
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Jun 29 2014, 05:47 PM Post #19 |
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Gohan can suppress his power to match Goku... |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 29 2014, 05:49 PM Post #20 |
 
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The gap is going to be ridiculous whether you think there's a thousand-fold gap between Goku and Gohan or even a simple ten-fold gap. That's why I don't really agree when people say it's stupid to think there's such a huge gap if Goku wanted to fuse with Gohan, because the gap is stupidly big whichever route you take. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 29 2014, 05:50 PM Post #21 |
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That makes no sense, because with a gap that huge, the resulting fusion wouldn't even be as strong as Ultimate Gohan. What purpose would that serve? |
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Jun 29 2014, 05:58 PM Post #22 |
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You need to match your power level to fuse. Clearly a fusion of 2 Goku's is enough to beat Buutenks. You are underestimating how strong fusion is. Edited by p123, Jun 29 2014, 05:58 PM.
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Jun 29 2014, 06:14 PM Post #23 |
 
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SSJ1/MSSJ multiplier: x50 The reason kaioken was not used after after SSJ was introduced is because it caused a lot of strain on the body and muscles.Yes theoretically kaioken can make you stronger than a maxed out ssj/mssj saiyan/hybrid.This is because according to the manga/anime there is no theoretical "limit" to the kaioken multiplier. But you see even though the ssj/mssj multiplier is limited to x50 boundary, it can be broken by ascending to the next level I.e ssj2 which increases the boundary to x100. So you see in a way ssj transformation's provide a more safe way to utilize the same power used by kaioken also. The difference between them is analogues to the difference between ssj/mssj and assj or ussj. Edited by CheckMateIzGod, Jun 29 2014, 06:18 PM.
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Jun 29 2014, 06:35 PM Post #24 |
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There's no issue with Super Saiyan being 50x except for Gotenks. Even the Androids Saga is fine. If Cell can gain tons of power from absorbing a few hundred thousand humans, well then 20 considering Yamcha a good source of power should be fine. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jun 29 2014, 07:30 PM Post #25 |
 
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Kaioken as shown by goku can be used continually throughout a fight though |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 29 2014, 07:37 PM Post #26 |
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You don't have to match for Potara, which was the fusion that Goku was talking about. Goku and Vegeta's gap isn't that big, this is why their fusion was so much stronger than either of them individually. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 29 2014, 07:40 PM.
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Jun 29 2014, 07:50 PM Post #27 |
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Goku and Vegeta have a rivalry. Clearly Goku's Ssj3 is much stronger than Vegeta's Ssj2. They are probably equals in Base, Ssj and Ssj2 though. Gohan can suppress his power to match Goku. I don't see the issue. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 29 2014, 07:58 PM Post #28 |
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There's no evidence that a rivalry boost even exists. To be entirely honest, I not entirely sure of where this even came from. I know Rou Dai Kaioshin mentions something about Goku and Vegeta being the greatest masters in the universe and that they were rivals, but I don't think that anything is ever mentioned about their rivalry actually boosting their Fusion's power. The suppression makes no sense because Potara doesn't require suppression, only Memoran (Dance) does. And even if Potara did require it, Goku and Gohan's fusion would be a combination of Goku, and Gohan's suppressed state. If Gohan decreased his power to Goku's level, which is only a tiny fraction of his own, than the fusion would be weaker than Gohan's strongest state because of the massive gap. What would be the point of that? Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 29 2014, 08:05 PM.
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Jun 29 2014, 08:08 PM Post #29 |
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What's more, is directly referring power. The rivalry boost exists, it's not a huge deal though. |
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| Saberoph | Jun 29 2014, 08:51 PM Post #30 |
 
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Is it possible the fusion boasts are based off Potential, allowing the Potara to do the same but also giving a specific boast of it's own? |
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