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Why Vegeta and Goku seem to have more potential than Gohan
Topic Started: Jun 26 2014, 02:47 PM (5,147 Views)
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Jul 8 2014, 01:22 AM
Taking out BOG, what else is "supporting" it?
Nothing supports it really. It's just a matter of people not thinking it's "necessary" for the base Saiyajins to surpass Freeza.
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This why I'm glad I already have two theories that form into one on the whole Goku and Vegeta having greater "potential" or whatever, and why Vegeta and Gohan's Dormant Power reset. Have them somewhere around here. Don't feel like going through the filing cabinet however.

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I don't see why considering the increases post Frieza arc.

To me the Base Saiyans surpassed Frieza in the ROSAT. They would have to for the increases to make sense, and if they didn't you would have to either increase the SS Multiplier or add some magical number to it, which is never stated or implied.
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It kinda seems like both Prince and MS were being narrow minded in their arguments.
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Jul 8 2014, 01:30 AM
It kinda seems like both Prince and MS were being narrow minded in their arguments.
Whatever do you mean?
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Maybe I don't know how these debates work, but there didn't seem to be much wiggle room with the points being made.
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Now, I don't think Kakarrot and Vegeta have more potential than Hybrids, given what's been presented to us from the Manga, but I do think it's more than possible for Kakarrot to be stronger than Gohan and for Vegeta to be strong enough that while being below Gohan, when his rage boast happens, it would make him stronger... but only when he has his rage boast.

Other than... I think it's ignoring what's already been presented to us about Hybrids saying Kakarrot and Vegeta have more Potential.
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Jul 8 2014, 01:36 AM
Maybe I don't know how these debates work, but there didn't seem to be much wiggle room with the points being made.
What points are you referring to? My theory about Goku and Vegeta, my stance on Freeza and the base Saiyajins, or the canosity of the Battle of Gods?
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The canonisity of BoG.
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Jul 8 2014, 01:42 AM
The canonisity of BoG.
Ah, I don't see how. What, specifically, came off as narrow minded?
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Jul 8 2014, 01:39 AM
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Maybe I don't know how these debates work, but there didn't seem to be much wiggle room with the points being made.
What points are you referring to? My theory about Goku and Vegeta, my stance on Freeza and the base Saiyajins, or the canosity of the Battle of Gods?
You ride with Frieza > Base Saiyans, right?
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I don't know, I think you both had good points, but you don't seem to think his point should be considered regarding how normal movie scripting goes. Just seemed somewhat condescending, but maybe that's just me.
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Jul 8 2014, 01:46 AM
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Jul 8 2014, 01:36 AM
Maybe I don't know how these debates work, but there didn't seem to be much wiggle room with the points being made.
What points are you referring to? My theory about Goku and Vegeta, my stance on Freeza and the base Saiyajins, or the canosity of the Battle of Gods?
You ride with Frieza > Base Saiyans, right?
No.
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I don't know, I think you both had good points, but you don't seem to think his point should be considered regarding how normal movie scripting goes. Just seemed somewhat condescending, but maybe that's just me.

I've considered it, but he needs to prove it was edited. Even if it was, how would that make the film non canon? Toriyama's editor made a lot of changes to Toriyama's manga, so by that logic, those changes would be non canon.
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Oh, I wasn't aware of that. In that case what even is canon? Lol
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I consider everything canon unless specified otherwise(which nothing is). I do this by taking into account multiple universes, which originates from the Daizenshuu 6 where Toriyama feels the films and such take place in different dimensions/universes. In that regard, nothing is non canon, it's just not directly connected to his manga.
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