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Why Vegeta and Goku seem to have more potential than Gohan
Topic Started: Jun 26 2014, 02:47 PM (5,148 Views)
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Jun 29 2014, 10:33 PM
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Jun 29 2014, 10:31 PM
Vegeta didn't pass Gohan o.O He was only stated to pass Goku.
Yeah, but Vegeta and Goku are the only ones Beerus thought highly of at the end of the film. Plus, Vegeta has a feat over Gohan. Gohan was brushed aside, but Vegeta actually managed to tank a hit and dish some "damage".
To be fair to Gohan, he was hammered when he tried to attack Beers. His drunkenness affected his performance. Beers only thought highly of Goku because of SSJG but any of the other Saiyans could potentially do the same thing. Vegeta's rageboost was some deus ex BS that allowed him to do better than anyone else, but we never exactly saw Gohan or even Gotenks at their best against Beers.
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Jun 29 2014, 10:56 PM
And I said that too.

I said that Kakarrot could be stronger, but it was established that Gohan had a higher Potential.
And if Gohan kept training, he'd have more. Saiyans have essentially limitless potential.
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To be fair to Gohan, he was hammered when he tried to attack Beers. His drunkenness affected his performance. Beers only thought highly of Goku because of SSJG but any of the other Saiyans could potentially do the same thing. Vegeta's rageboost was some deus ex BS that allowed him to do better than anyone else, but we never exactly saw Gohan or even Gotenks at their best against Beers.

Gohan looked pretty sober to me, but even assuming he was drunk, do you have proof that it affected his power level?
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I keep calling Potential both that and Dormant power. However, Gohan has more in that regards, and proves that in one day Gohan more more gains that Kakarrot did in 7 years.

So, I'm not sure if Kakarrot has more potential than Gohan in any way.
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Jun 29 2014, 11:01 PM
I keep calling Potential both that and Dormant power. However, Gohan has more in that regards, and proves that in one day Gohan more more gains that Kakarrot did in 7 years.

So, I'm not sure if Kakarrot has more potential than Gohan in any way.
He may now with the theory I abide by, but it could also simply be that Goku has been training his a*** off and has, for the moment, surpassed or at least come close enough to Gohan that he couldn't be easily K.O.ed in 2 hits.
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And I said that I could buy Kakarrot surpassing Gohan in the 5 year gap, but Kakarrot would need that kind of time frame to make an increase like that.

I don't hate the idea of Kakarrot making that kind of increase, but to say Kakarrot has more potential doesn't work with what's already been presented for several arcs and considering nothing is implied or ever stated that part of Vegetto's power was dumped into Kakarrot, I don't buy it.

I wouldn't have a problem if that did happen, if something was stated or implied.

Let me go as far as saying that I wouldn't have a problem if the Anime was completely different from the Manga. It wouldn't been cool to have it completely separate and on it's own.
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Your theory is great, and would be easy to accept.

However, the fact is that AT did some inconsistencies with this movie which makes it unbearable for me to take this as canon ( I do in disgust though :P ).

An example if I remember correctly Beerus or King Kai state that Beerus made King Kai's planet smaller? First of all how is that planet even there? Was it not destroyed by Cell? And if they brought it back somehow why not to it's original size?

This shows me AT forgot quite a bit of information he established which makes it hard for me to take his recent works seriously.

Dragon Ball Minus doesn't help the situation either.
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Kaio's planet could have been restored by Kibitoshin or the Dragon Balls.
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Honestly, the only reason people disregard this film is because it doesn't line up with their preferred power levels. News flash, Gotenks doesn't line up with my preferred power levels, but it doesn't make it any less canon.


People not liking BoG has nothing to do with it contradicting their PL's. I managed to place BoG in my list without any troubles. It's more of the movie itself that makes people dislike it.
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I dislike the movie it's self and the other reason isn't because of power levels, but it contradicts years of already set up continuity.

Which technically you could say power levels, but overall it contradicts what's already established.
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Honestly, the only reason people disregard this film is because it doesn't line up with their preferred power levels. News flash, Gotenks doesn't line up with my preferred power levels, but it doesn't make it any less canon.


People not liking BoG has nothing to do with it contradicting their PL's. I managed to place BoG in my list without any troubles. It's more of the movie itself that makes people dislike it.
Whether you like it or not isn't being discussed, and more often than not, you will see people writing it off because it doesn't line up with their preferred power levels. If one were to disregard it's existence just because they don't like it, that would be petty. I don't like the Star Wars prequels, but they are 100% canon.
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I have a question about BOG.

When Bills made the comment about Frieza, wasn't Kakarrot and Vegeta suppressed in Base right?
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I have a question about BOG.

When Bills made the comment about Frieza, wasn't Kakarrot and Vegeta suppressed in Base right?
They very well could be, and that was only directed at Goku. I used to believe Goku was actually weaker than Freeza in base, but not anymore. I support the notion that the base Saiyans are above Piccolo now.
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So, it's more than possible that Bills wasn't sensing Kakarrot's Base at 100%.

If that's the case, then I think the whole argument is quite silly.
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So, it's more than possible that Bills wasn't sensing Kakarrot's Base at 100%.

If that's the case, then I think the whole argument is quite silly.
People base their argument on the fact that Goku nor Kaio interjected. Still though, you can counter that with a Kaio didn't want to speak up as it could have come as disrespectful. Goku didn't speak up because he simply wasn't allowed to talk. Still though, the Freeza > base Saiyajins argument existed well before Battle of Gods. I personally think it takes far too many excuses to believe it.
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Taking out BOG, what else is "supporting" it?
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